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jackie/steve - 06 Feb 2005 20:19 GMT Hi, I was wondering if anyone out there could confirm for me that the 139 visa is permanent residency as soon as you arrive permanently in Australia. i thought i knew but now im starting to doubt myself, Jackie
Alan Collett - 06 Feb 2005 22:10 GMT > Hi, > I was wondering if anyone out there could confirm for me that the 139 > visa is permanent residency as soon as you arrive permanently in > Australia. > i thought i knew but now im starting to doubt myself, > Jackie It is a permanent residency visa that is valid so long as you pass through immigration clearance before the required Initial Entry Date shown on your visa.
Best regards.
 Signature Alan Collett of Go Matilda, http://www.gomatilda.com
Karenp - 07 Feb 2005 09:20 GMT > Hi, > I was wondering if anyone out there could confirm for me that the 139 > visa is permanent residency as soon as you arrive permanently in > Australia. > i thought i knew but now im starting to doubt myself, > Jackie Hi Jackie
I see you have already had an answer from Allan re the 139.
I am also applying for the 139 - can you tell me how your application has gone? Anything I should know? - I am right at the beginning.
Cheers, Karen
Alan Collett - 07 Feb 2005 09:25 GMT > Hi Jackie > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Cheers, Karen A point to watch ... make sure your Assurer has the required level of assessable income as per his/her/their Tax Assessment Notices issued by the Australian Taxation Office for the last two income tax years. You'd be surprised at how many people think all is well, and then find it isn't ...
Best regards.
 Signature Alan Collett of Go Matilda, http://www.gomatilda.com
jackie/steve - 07 Feb 2005 09:40 GMT > A point to watch ... make sure your Assurer has the required level of > assessable income as per his/her/their Tax Assessment Notices issued [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Best regards. Thanks for that Allan, i think we have that sorted my sisters husband will be joint assurer he is a fireman,she also works but is self employed but toghether they should be o.k,we have four children and we think the income they should earn is $45000.Jackie
jackie/steve - 07 Feb 2005 09:36 GMT > Hi Jackie > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Cheers, Karen Hi Karen, We have been looking at the 139 for a few months now,but we cannot apply until feb 06 as my husband is just finishing his pgce and for the 139 you need to be in paid employment for 6 mths before applying althought we will get an agent in nov and get his skills assessed,so when the six mths is up we can apply with hopfully no hold ups, Jackie
Karenp - 07 Feb 2005 09:58 GMT > Hi Karen, > We have been looking at the 139 for a few months now,but we cannot [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > when the six mths is up we can apply with hopfully no hold ups, > Jackie Hi and thanks Jackie (also hi to Alan!)
We have not started the process yet either as are just trying to decide which route to take in and also are waiting to hear from a potential job offer for my husband. We have the points so can do it that way and I have an aunt who is most willing and keen for us to go out. On the centre link website it says that an assurer must have an income greater than the threshold - do you know what that threshold is? Also am I correct in understanding that my aunt would have to pay a refundable bond of $5000 for me and my husband that would only be refunded after 30 months??
Karen
jackie/steve - 07 Feb 2005 10:27 GMT > Hi and thanks Jackie (also hi to Alan!) > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Karen Hi I think the threshold depends on the children you have i think it around $45000/$47000 for us we have four.Althought my info comes from this website and the immi website.(The assurrer does not have to be the same person as sponsor) Yes your aunt will get the info when she goes for her centrelink interview it is refundable after 2 yrs, i think. You will need full birthcertificates of you, your aunts and i think your mum's to show the family link for the 139. My friends just went out to w.a on job sponsor it took about 2 months in all she had already had police/medical checks done beforhand though she loves it. Jackie.
Karenp - 07 Feb 2005 11:13 GMT > Hi > I think the threshold depends on the children you have i think it [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > in all she had already had police/medical checks done beforhand though > she loves it. Jackie. Thanks Jackie
No children yet - just the 2 of us. Many thanks and good luck
Karen
brian0 - 07 Feb 2005 18:52 GMT > Thanks Jackie > > No children yet - just the 2 of us. > Many thanks and good luck > > Karen Here's a link to a thread that talks about assurer income levels. The levels depend both on how many people are in your family as well as how many are in your assurers family (dependents).
http://britishexpats.com/forum/showthread.php?t=278799&highlight=- aos+income
Note also that if you have dependent children over age 18 that are going with you then your bond will also include an additional $1500 for each child over 18. For most families the bond is simply $5000 as there are no children in this situation. The bond is $3500 for the primary applicant and $1500 for the spouse on the application, so if you are single the bond would only be $3500.
Cheers, Brian
Karenp - 07 Feb 2005 20:59 GMT > Here's a link to a thread that talks about assurer income levels. The > levels depend both on how many people are in your family as well as [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Cheers, > Brian Thanks Brian
If I understand it correctly then. My aunt + her partner (0 dependants) + me and my husband (0 dependants) means she needs an income of about $35 000 and the $5000 bond.
Will check with her re income (provable via tax returns).
Cheers, Karen
brian0 - 07 Feb 2005 22:01 GMT > Thanks Brian > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Cheers, Karen Actually, you would be covered by the row that contains "2 0 34985 2 0 5000 39985". This means that there are 2 adults and no dependents on the assurer side, and 2 adults and no dependents on the assuree (your) side. The $5000 part is not the bond, but the amount that the assurers income must go up by to cover your size family, so $39985 is the required income level for the AoS. The bond will be $5000 no matter how many dependents there are or the size of the assurer family, all it depends upon are the number of "adults" (ie: children over 18 count as adults).
Cheers, Brian
jackie/steve - 08 Feb 2005 07:46 GMT > Actually, you would be covered by the row that contains "2 0 34985 2 0 > 5000 39985". This means that there are 2 adults and no dependents on [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Cheers, > Brian Hi Brian, There does not seem to be on your chart 2,adult+4,children+2,adult+4,children,im just asking as im hoping i have not got it wrong,my sister+husband will be our assusers they also have 4 childrenbut he is a fireman over there and i don't think there pay is great. sorry also i think 2 of the children(my sisters husbands) are over 18,does this matter? Jackie.
JAJ - 08 Feb 2005 11:39 GMT > Hi Brian, > There does not seem to be on your chart [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > sorry also i think 2 of the children(my sisters husbands) are over > 18,does this matter? Jackie. Problems are likely to arise if *your* children are 18, or about to turn 18 - not theirs. The income requirements to do a mandatory Assurance of Support are fixed and not flexible.
Jeremy
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brian0 - 08 Feb 2005 14:34 GMT > Hi Brian, > There does not seem to be on your chart [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > sorry also i think 2 of the children(my sisters husbands) are over > 18,does this matter? Jackie. Hi Jackie,
Here's the wording directly from the CentreLink AoS Factsheet which is available on the CentreLink web page:
"In all other bonded and unbonded cases the minimum amount of income is based on the Family Tax Benefit (Part A) income threshold. Currently the annual income is $32,485.
These amounts include the first child of the assurer and are sufficient to provide an assurance for one assuree. They are further increased according to the number of other adults and children who are dependent on the assurer for support and the number of adults and children who are going to be covered by the Assurance of Support. The amounts are increased by $2500 for each adult and $1250 for each child. An assurer?s partner is not considered to be dependent on the assurer and is not included in calculating the amount of income required for an Assurance of Support to be accepted."
Reading this through again I think that the info I gave previously might have been wrong (can Jeremy confirm this?). The way I read this now, an assurer with no dependents but with a spouse has an income basis of $32485, onto which the $5000 additional income requirement for two adults would be added, giving a total of $37485. This differs from Datamile's figures inthe spreadsheet he put up as he seemed to add to the income level for the assurer's spouse, which doesn't seem to be required.
If this is correct then I think that Jackie's case would be as follows:
- Assurer: 2 adults ($32485) + 2 dependent children ($1250x1) = $33735 - Assuree: 2 adults ($2500x2) + 4 dependent children ($1250x4) = $10000 - Total Income Level Required: $43735
The bond level of course would still be $5000 so long as all Jackie's children are under 18 throughout the entire application process.
Cheers, Brian
jackie/steve - 08 Feb 2005 15:05 GMT > Hi Jackie, > [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > Cheers, > Brian Thanks for that Brian,you have made it really clear,and we should be ok with our assurer.Jackie
JAJ - 09 Feb 2005 04:35 GMT > Hi Jackie, > [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > Cheers, > Brian The rules are complex enough so as to require professional assistance in many cases, especially if the declared taxable income is marginal.
Note it's *taxable* income as per ATO assessments that counts - many assurers who have packaged part of their salary into fringe benefits or taken advantage of tax schemes can get caught out in terms of eligibility to be an assurer.
The income thresholds for a mandatory AOS are not flexible - at all.
Jeremy
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woody1cruiser - 28 Feb 2005 19:45 GMT > The rules are complex enough so as to require professional assistance > in many cases, especially if the declared taxable income is marginal. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Jeremy Sorry to throw a spanner in the works but could somebody please clarify one point for me. This income is for the 2 years prior to applying. does that mean that the figure is the total earned over the 2 years or that they must beearning this amount per year for the past 2 years.
I hope this makes sense as had a bad day so a bit fuzzy.
Debs
JAJ - 08 Feb 2005 01:59 GMT > Here's a link to a thread that talks about assurer income levels. The > levels depend both on how many people are in your family as well as [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Cheers, > Brian If you have children aged 18+ included in the application - or who are going to turn 18 during processing - then bear in mind that there is a legal limit of two adults per assuror (including joint assurances) and you might need to find another assuror.
Overlooking this issue regularly causes a crisis at a late stage of sponsored applications.
Jeremy
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