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Immigration Forum / Australia and NZ / October 2003taking dogs to nz as visitor!
Had a thought, what about if we sold house, stored furniture, then went to NZ to get work. I'm in Architecture and hubbies a plumber so would have thought we have a chance to get a job, then apply for PR. Catch. Have two kids and three dogs. Will take the kids, but don't like the idea of leaving dogs here. Can we take them on a holiday for six months or will it be questioned? Any thoughts whatsoever appreciated >Had a thought, what about if we sold house, stored furniture, then went >to NZ to get work. I'm in Architecture and hubbies a plumber so would [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >Any thoughts whatsoever appreciated Taking the dogs for a holiday - have you queried the airlines as to the cost of flying just one animal to NZ? You may not be issued a permit to import them without having pr. Be aware there are new laws regarding confining dogs to your own property including fencing and leash laws. Suggest you read: http://www.maf.govt.nz/biosecurity/imports/animals/standards/index.htm Cath Originally posted by texan > On Sun, 26 Oct 2003 18:12:26 +0000, Surfer Chick > <j.grinstead@btopenworld.com> wrote: > >Had a thought, what about if we sold house, stored furniture, > then went > >to NZ to get work. I'm in Architecture and hubbies a plumber so > would > >have thought we have a chance to get a job, then apply for > PR. > >Catch. Have two kids and three dogs. Will take the kids, but > don't > >like the idea of leaving dogs here. Can we take them on a > holiday for > >six months or will it be questioned? > >Any thoughts whatsoever appreciated > Taking the dogs for a holiday - have you queried the airlines as to > the cost of flying just one animal to NZ? > You may not be issued a permit to import them without having pr. > Be aware there are new laws regarding confining dogs to your own > property including fencing and leash laws. > Suggest you read: > http://www.maf.govt.nz/biosecurity/imports/animals/standards/in- > dex.htm"]http://www.maf.govt.nz/biosecurity/imports/animals/standards- > /index.htm[/url] > Cath From what I can gather from reading this forum, it will cost us around ?2500 to ?3000! But we love them Thanks for the link I looked into the matter last year - all I can say, is that it is expensive to have just one dog go through - the quarantine and kennel housing/etc procedure - but 3? Looks like you'll have to send them ahead of time, so that when they ready to exit the kennel/quarantine - you can pick them up. Should be such services available at Christchurch and Auckland, I guess... Harvey >Had a thought, what about if we sold house, stored furniture, then went >to NZ to get work. I'm in Architecture and hubbies a plumber so would [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >-- >Posted via http://britishexpats.com Originally posted by My Name = Harvey > I looked into the matter last year - all I can say, is that it is > expensive > to have just one dog go through - the quarantine and kennel > housing/etc > procedure - but 3? Looks like you'll have to send them ahead of > time, so > that when they ready to exit the kennel/quarantine - you can pick > them up. > Should be such services available at Christchurch and Auckland, I > guess... > Harvey > In article <1031826.1067191946@britishexpats.com>, > j.grinstead@btopenworld.com > says... > >Had a thought, what about if we sold house, stored furniture, > then went > >to NZ to get work. I'm in Architecture and hubbies a plumber so > would > >have thought we have a chance to get a job, then apply for > PR. > >Catch. Have two kids and three dogs. Will take the kids, but > don't > >like the idea of leaving dogs here. Can we take them on a > holiday for > >six months or will it be questioned? > >Any thoughts whatsoever appreciated > >-- > >Posted via http://britishexpats.com/"]http://britishexpats- > .com[/url] The information I have got says they don't need quarentine > Had a thought, what about if we sold house, stored furniture, then went > to NZ to get work. I'm in Architecture and hubbies a plumber so would [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > like the idea of leaving dogs here. Can we take them on a holiday for > six months or will it be questioned? Not a good idea. The requirements for import take about six months to complete and involve several blood tests and treatments for the dogs. Then they have to face more tests, treatments, AND quarantine on arrival in NZ. Not to mention the stress of being confined in containers in the hold of the aircraft for the duration of the trip. Also, most councils in NZ will not allow three dogs in one household - bylaws in many places set the limit at two dogs. You could go through all the vet procedures and bring them to NZ (keep in mind that the costs are high) but when you leave you will have to start the process all over again in order to get permission to bring them back into the country - or leave them behind here until you return. Since you don't know where you will be living - and if the local authority will allow you to keep three dogs on your property, it would be wider to leave them behind until you are certain of your plans. Travelling with dogs is not easy in NZ either and there are few motels or holiday parks that will permit them. Lyn >> Had a thought, what about if we sold house, stored furniture, then went >> to NZ to get work. I'm in Architecture and hubbies a plumber so would [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >Also, most councils in NZ will not allow three dogs in one household - >bylaws in many places set the limit at two dogs. Thanks for that Lyn. I had forgotten about that many councils will only permit two dogs per section. I had two huskies and was involved in rescuing other huskies. Even though I lived in the country and had over a quarter acre section equipped with pens and 6 ft high fencing, they would only allow me to keep a rescued dog for a max of two weeks and then it was either it had to go or one of mine did. My girlfriend bred Malamutes and to get a permit to keep 3, had to build special pens which were hooked into the sewerage system. Dogs that get loose into farmers paddocks can and are shot and there is nothing you can do. Feeding of offal is prohibited due to the sheepmeat industry/hydatids. Rental property owners do not generally like pets period and finding a place to keep 3 dogs intitially could be a problem = boarding fees! >You could go through all the vet procedures and bring them to NZ (keep in >mind that the costs are high) but when you leave you will have to start the [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >Travelling with dogs is not easy in NZ either and there are few motels or >holiday parks that will permit them. This is something I have seen on this ng over the years. It seems that NZ is very unlike the UK when it comes to travelling with the family dog! >Lyn Cath Also, most councils in NZ will not allow three dogs in one household - bylaws in many places set the limit at two dogs. You could go through all the vet procedures and bring them to NZ (keep in mind that the costs are high) but when you leave you will have to start the process all over again in order to get permission to bring them back into the country - or leave them behind here until you return. Since you don't know where you will be living - and if the local authority will allow you to keep three dogs on your property, it would be wider to leave them behind until you are certain of your plans. Travelling with dogs is not easy in NZ either and there are few motels or holiday parks that will permit them. > Lyn I have misled you. I am not planning on actually taking them on holiday, I was thinking of coming to NZ as on holiday then getting a job. Therefore staying. We are looking at buying 20 acres, and also at the moment our dogs kennels are connected to mains drains and would be the same over there. But I have read in a number of places that quarentine is not now necessary. I will have to research this further, but thanks for all your help. Shouldn't be any problem doing what you are.. It seems that NZIS etc are accepting that we need to go over as visitors first, think they'll be including something in the policy. Didn't know about the 'amount of dogs' thing, not heard it before, but I imagine the size of land you're looking at you'll be Ok...probably worth looking at. (know of someone taking 6 greyhounds to a lifestyle property) No quarantine required for UK muts, the other posters are probably from somewhere else? Gra.. Thanks Gra.B I thought I was going mad I know I read it somewhere about quarantine not needed and just checked it out on www.quarantine.govt.nz. Good to hear about the greyhounds and interesting about the visiting thing. Might have to look further into the dogs coming immediately though as will have to rent for a month or so at least, I know I could offer a 'pet bond' to get a place to rent but would I have trouble getting the dogs in without the land to start with? I'll keep searching. >Thanks Gra.B >I thought I was going mad I know I read it somewhere about quarantine >not needed and just checked it out on [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >'pet bond' to get a place to rent but would I have trouble getting the >dogs in without the land to start with? I'll keep searching. When I was home in 1999 and looking for a place to rent, there were maybe one or two properties where it was stated 'small pet ok'. Getting the dogs in without the land to start with? Do you mean into NZ or onto a property? If MAF approve your animals, then there is no problem. The only problem then would be where you are all going to live initially. Please do not get your hopes up too high that by offering a pet bond a rental agency or landlord will permit you to have the dogs on the property. Suggest you do some searching for real estate companies that also handle renting properties and email them. Can do no harm to ask! Cath > Thanks Gra.B > > I thought I was going mad I know I read it somewhere about quarantine > not needed and just checked it out on > www.quarantine.govt.nz. Good to hear about the greyhounds > and interesting about the visiting thing. You will note on the MAF site that the documentation requires that you give an address the dogs will be residing at in NZ. > Might have to look further into the dogs coming immediately though as > will have to rent for a month or so at least, I know I could offer a > 'pet bond' to get a place to rent but would I have trouble getting the > dogs in without the land to start with? I'll keep searching. Pet bonds are not common in NZ and few landlords will allow pets. Those that do usually only allow one small pet, ie. cat or small dog. Please contact MAF directly and check their requirements as animals not subject to quarantine are usually required to undertake a month of supervision, with MAF officers calling at the property every week to check on the health of the dogs. It is also a requirement that there are no other animals being kept on the same property. It doesn't matter whether you are planning on being on a lifestyle block or not - if the council has a by-law stating 2 dogs then that by-law applies to all properties within that local body area. Some councils have provisions for breeders but that is something you need to check out with the council. Do lots of research before bringing the dogs here and get confirmation of everything in writing. Good luck! Lyn Surfer Chick writes >Travelling with dogs is not easy in NZ either and there are few motels >or holiday parks that will permit them. So finding rented accommodation with pets is going to be difficult?  SignatureTrevor Dennis Remove s-p-a-m to email Lyn Writes >Also, most councils in NZ will not allow three dogs in one household - >bylaws in many places set the limit at two dogs. Good gracious. That is completely new to me. Would that still apply if you had a lifestyle property well away from town? We hope to bring one dog, and *three* cats. We've looked into costs and procedures, but have heard mention while in NZ of intolerance to cats because of the threat they pose to native wildlife. Even to the extent of cats being banned inside DoC controlled NPs. We would welcome clarification on this. (We would be living in Marlborough.) SignatureTrevor Dennis Remove s-p-a-m to email >Lyn Writes > >>Also, most councils in NZ will not allow three dogs in one household - >>bylaws in many places set the limit at two dogs. No, it's been the law in many council areas for years. I used to live in Rolleston, south of Christchurch, in the mid-80's and I was bound by the 2 dogs per property law [see previous posting regarding rescued dogs]. >Good gracious. That is completely new to me. Would that still >apply if you had a lifestyle property well away from town? You would have to check with the local council as to how many you are permitted on a lifestyle property. >We hope to bring one dog, and *three* cats. We've looked into >costs and procedures, but have heard mention while in NZ of [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >(We would be living in Marlborough.) IIRC both cats and dogs are banned inside National Parks. The only exception of course would be seeing eye or assistance dogs. Cats are not liked in many areas due to their destruction of birdlife. Be aware that NZ recently passed tough new laws regarding keeping dogs. Cath Cath writes >Be aware that NZ recently passed tough new laws regarding keeping >dogs. On our last trip some friends in Nelson were telling us about inspectors that visit to check how you look after your dogs. We later mentioned this to some Aucklanders we met, who said they'd probably *shoot* anyone who dared tell them how to look after their dogs! Must be a North / South Island thing. ;-) SignatureTrevor Dennis Remove s-p-a-m to email >Cath writes > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >Must be a North / South Island thing. ;-) I don't believe it is quite as tough as what it used to be. All town dogs were required to be hydatid dosed every 6 months and either you took your dog/s to the dosing strip or they came to your place to do it. If you wanted to take pooch outside of the 'city limits', you needed a current hydatids certificate not more than 6 weeks old. A farmer could [and would] ask to see this certificate and if you didn't have one, he had the right to impound your dog. Dogs owned in country areas were required to be dosed every 6 weeks. As we worked our huskies and lived in the city, we opted to have them dosed every 6 weeks to enable us just to take them up to the high country literally overnight [if snow fell]. Every so often, the country would undergo a hydatids exam ie: you were required to keep a doggie pooh for inspection. Many a dog, including one of mine, returned a suspicious result which resulted in my dog having to be redosed along with a warning letter. She had returned a false hydatid test result. I don't know if they still do this check or not. Maybe someone can post if the councils still do hydatid dosing. For owning dogs within Marlborough, you may want to check out: http://www.marlborough.govt.nz/community.html Cath > >Cath writes > > [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > > Maybe someone can post if the councils still do hydatid dosing. NZ has been free of hydatids since the late 1980's I believe. Dog dosing was stopped in 1996 and the country became officially hydatids free last year. It is still illegal to allow dogs to eat offal or untreated sheep or goat meat - I guess this is still a safety precaution against hydatids but it could also be a preventative for other things like sheep measles. Lyn Cath writes >Maybe someone can post if the councils still do hydatid dosing. > >For owning dogs within Marlborough, you may want to check out: >http://www.marlborough.govt.nz/community.html Thanks for the info and the link. That was something of a rude awakening. :-( SignatureTrevor Dennis Remove s-p-a-m to email >Lyn Writes > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >intolerance to cats because of the threat they pose to native >wildlife. Up until man arrived with pests such as cats, stoats, rats, etc, New Zealand's native birds had no preditors and had lost the ability to fly [example is the kiwi] or can only fly short distances such as between trees. You might find this interesting: http://www.doc.govt.nz/Regional-Info/001~Northland/004~Conservation/Dog-Control- Areas.asp > Even to the extent of cats being banned inside DoC >controlled NPs. We would welcome clarification on this. > >(We would be living in Marlborough.) [Below is exerpts of one park - you need to read the rules for each but it appears that there is a set of standard rules for domestic animals.] The Department of Conservation is responsible for the extermination of animals such as cats, rodents, hedgehogs and mustelids (stoats, ferrets, and weasels), and for ensuring that domestic animals do not enter the Park (National Parks Act 1980). Farm livestock can be permitted in the Park under a formal concession arrangement. 4.1.5(c) Domestic animals (this includes all pets) have the potential to adversely affect indigenous flora and fauna, and to create conflict with other park users. Exclusion is necessary to ensure that no animals are left uncontrolled. This does not include stock permitted under grazing licenses in accordance with policy 4.3.8. If stray domestic animals are found within the Park every attempt will be made to identify the owner and have the animals removed. If animals are found persistently within the Park, after due warning to the owners, if known, the animals may be dealt with as trespassing animals in accordance with section 62 of the National Parks Act 1980. For dogs the seizure and other provisions of Part VA of the National Parks Act apply. This policy does not preclude the use of dogs used for police, park management, customs or search and rescue purposes, or guide dogs used by the blind, or companion dogs, all in accordance with Section 56E of the National Parks Act 1980. Any other use of dogs, including farm dogs for stock management within any grazing area, requires a dog control permit in accordance with Section 56B of the Act. The use of horses or other ridden or pack animals within the Park is not appropriate because of their ability to pug tracks, damage vegetation, spread noxious weeds and create conflict with other park users. For recreational hunting see 4.2.2 Recreational Activities. For guided hunting see 4.2.4 Guiding. For farm livestock grazing, see 4.3.8 Grazing. 4.1.5(d) - The Deed of Recognition for Aoraki, under sections 212 213 of the Ngäi Tahu Claims Settlement Act 1998, applies here. The Director-General is required to provide relevant information and consult with Ngäi Tahu and have particular regard to their views in relation to any programme to eradicate pests or other introduced species within the Töpuni area. http://www.doc.govt.nz/Explore/001~National-Parks/Aoraki-Mount-Cook-National-Par k/Aoraki-Mt-Cook-National-Park-Management-Plan-(Revised-Draft)/015~4-Park-Polici es.asp I recall a few years ago the DOC going through the National Parks and removing self sown apple trees that had grown as the result of people throwing apple cores out of car windows! Just part of their on-going plans to eradicate all non-native fauna! Cath |
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