Good places in Sydney for renting a house
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ShZekavati@gmail.com - 27 Oct 2007 05:26 GMT Hi everybody, Soon I will move to Sydney with my wife. Can someone give me some advices about the good (not the best and clearly the most expensive) areas in Sydney for renting a house? By the way, I have considered 300 AUD/Week as my limit. Thanks in advance for any useful info
kangaroo16 - 27 Oct 2007 07:36 GMT >Hi everybody, >Soon I will move to Sydney with my wife. Can someone give me some >advices about the good (not the best and clearly the most expensive) >areas in Sydney for renting a house? By the way, I have considered 300 >AUD/Week as my limit. >Thanks in advance for any useful info "Sydney" can refer either to the small downtown area, or to "Greater Sydney" which is a much larger area. Distances in NSW are usually calculated from the GPO [General Post Office] in the downtown area.
I don't know the current boundaries of "Greater Sydney" offhand, as don't have a current map on hand, but the boundaries then were roughly 30 km to the south, 50 km to the west, 30 km to the north.
"Greater Sydney" has been described as a "city of villages", as it contains lots of separate council areas.
In the USA, when a city expands it takes over smaller towns and the whole city is under one local Government. Here the towns retain their own local council areas. This can be confusing, as many duplications of street names.
Broadly speaking, there are "inner" and "outer" council areas. The inner ones are shown in outline with names at http://www.dlg.nsw.gov.au/dlg/dlghome/documents/Downloads/MAP_INNERSYDNEY_2004.gif
The outer ones at: http://www.dlg.nsw.gov.au/dlg/dlghome/documents/Downloads/MAP_OUTERSYDNEY_2004.gif
Naturally, the closer to the central business district the higher the rents.
If you plan to work in the CBD, you might have to go to the outer suburb areas to find a house for $300 a week.
Driving anywhere in the inner suburbs, and sometimes even in the outer suburbs can be a frustrating task.
Fortunately, there are pretty good public transport services, by bus, light rail service, or even ferry, depending on where you locate.
Many people even live in the Blue Mountains town of Katoomba and commute to work by rail. Katoomba is about 90 Km east of the CBD. Some probably come in from as far as Lithgow.
So, personally, would suggest locating near a rail line until know where are going to work.
Most drivers, even taxi drivers, usually carry a street directory, as it is easy to get lost unless driving a familiar route.
Earlier today posted some information on finding temporary housing in greater Sydney on "rec.travel.australia+nz" group Subject: Re: quiet small hostel in Sydney - mission impossible? Sender: kangaroo16@invalid.com Message-ID: <gut4i39ggo7ch3j9jhjg0jf5dpk98e5l1p@4ax.com>
With some readers, can just click on the Message-ID number to be transferred to this message location.
If not, copy it, go to Google search, click on "Advanced Search" and a form will open giving you a blank to search by message number. Paste the number here and click "search".
The message has some further info on Sydney and a couple of map links that might be useful to you, as well as other readers.
I was tempted to crosspost it on both groups, but since both get so few posts, I would think that either tourists or migrants would read both groups.
Anyway, hope this information will be helpful to you. Best wishes for a good trip and a good life in Australia!
I'm a Yank migrant to Australia (decades ago), and my wife and I can't think of any better country to live in.:-)
Cheers, Kangaroo16
ShZekavati@gmail.com - 27 Oct 2007 09:07 GMT > On Sat, 27 Oct 2007 04:26:29 -0000, ShZekav...@gmail.com wrote in > <1193459189.503603.265...@d55g2000hsg.googlegroups.com> : [quoted text clipped - 82 lines] > Cheers, > Kangaroo16 Thank you very much for very complete and useful information.
kangaroo16 - 27 Oct 2007 09:59 GMT >> On Sat, 27 Oct 2007 04:26:29 -0000, ShZekav...@gmail.com wrote in >> <1193459189.503603.265...@d55g2000hsg.googlegroups.com> : [quoted text clipped - 84 lines] > >Thank you very much for very complete and useful information. You are welcome! Always happy to encourage immigrants. You might get more replies from the USA in a few hours. When on standard time, Sydney is 10 hours ahead of GMT and the continental USA is 5 to 8 hours behind GMT.
Am sure you will enjoy Australia, as it is much less crowded than the rest of the world, and most Australians like immigrants. At least 30% of the population are immigrants, or children of same.
Cheers, Kangaroo16
ShZekavati@gmail.com - 27 Oct 2007 19:27 GMT > >> On Sat, 27 Oct 2007 04:26:29 -0000, ShZekav...@gmail.com wrote in > >> <1193459189.503603.265...@d55g2000hsg.googlegroups.com> : [quoted text clipped - 100 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Dear Kangaroo16, I read what you wrote about using http://www.street-directory.com.au web site and I enjoyed so much. It seems that evidently I will be confused for beginning days in Sydney. Now I need your consultancy for getting a room in a hotel/hostel before renting a house/apartment. Where do you recommend? I am a software engineer and clearly my work place can not be so far from CBD and I will try to find a house after settling down. I know I am asking so much but any guidelines will be appreciated deeply.
kangaroo16 - 28 Oct 2007 03:50 GMT >> >> On Sat, 27 Oct 2007 04:26:29 -0000, ShZekav...@gmail.com wrote in >> >> <1193459189.503603.265...@d55g2000hsg.googlegroups.com> : [quoted text clipped - 104 lines] >I read what you wrote about using http://www.street-directory.com.au >web site and I enjoyed so much. Actually, so did I! Perhaps we, and others owe a debt to helen_gerald@hotmail.com who asked the question about Sydney accommodation on rec.travel.australia+nz. I didn't discover this highly useful site until I was searching for information for her. :-)
Not that it involved much of a search, actually. There is so much information available that most of us will never see more than a tiny fraction of it. One problem is to separate the wheat from the chaff, as there is a lot of misinformation on the web. Some of it deliberate, some accidental.
Another problem is that of different names for the same product. For example, if a Yank is searching for "gasoline" motor fuel, he may not know that it is more commonly called "petrol" or "benzin" (not "benzene"!) in other countries. As mentioned in an earlier post, if a tourist or migrant asks where he can get "gasoline" or "gas" for his car here, most people wouldn't know what he was after. Were he to ask if he can get "gas" for his car in a particular town, they would probably think he was referring to propane gas.
A Google search for "gasoline" yields 29,400,000 returns, "petrol" gives 32,300,000 returns, "benzin" yields 14,900,000 returns [many having nothing to do with motor fuel], and "gas" gives 267,000,000 returns. :-)
Admittedly, there are probably better examples. "windshield" = 12,100,000 returns, " "windscreen" = 4,320,000 returns. Now no one is going to search them all, and some readers will wonder why it matters which word is used. Especially on an immigration or travel group.
Suppose an American migrant has the windshield in his vehicle shattered by a rock? How will he go if he asks people where he can get his "windshield" repaired? Probably not well, as the term would be meaningless to many people here.
A visitor to the USA might have some water in his vehicle fuel tank. How far will he get if he asks directions to the nearest "chemists shop" rather than "pharmacy"? Not very far!
Once there, he will probably ask for "methylated spirit" when he should call it "denatured alcohol".
Or go from one country to another and ask for a familiar over the counter remedy, as different trade names are used in different countries for the same product. The same applies to many prescription drugs, incidentally.
Getting back to Internet searches, though, words are often misspelled, which complicates searches.
I mentioned that the average motorist here needs a street directory to find an unfamiliar location. Not only does the same street name often occur in widely separated suburbs, but the numbering system is quite different.
In the USA, cities usually have division points for streets with names, usually alphabetical, and sequentially numbered avenues.
So if I were traveling in a hypothetical U.S. city, I wouldn't usually require a street map. If a corner street sign read "Cat street" & "23rd Avenue" I would know I was three blocks on one side of a division point and 23 blocks from the other.
When house numbers are assigned in the USA the house number is determined by measuring from the intersection and assigning a number from a reference table. If I am looking for 2351 Cat street and see that am passing 2352 Cat street, I know that the houses are going to be opposite each other.
Not the case in Greater Sydney, though. Street names are not necessarily alphabetical, nor avenues, if called that, numerical. As the city grew, each council area did their own naming and numbering.
If there was a "Cat street" the number across from "2352" might be "6421"!
Parramatta road is the main road west out of the city, but passes through several suburbs on the way. Do corner intersection signs indicate the driver is on Parramatta Rd? ...Not usually, he is supposed to know that. Often only the names of the cross streets are shown.
Looking for, say 561 Parramatta Rd? There may well be several of them, depending on which suburb the driver is passing through. Is there any indication when passing between suburbs? Often not.
Anyway, you and other readers will hopefully now see the need of a street directory if venturing off main roads or streets. It would be interesting to know how often a Sydney driver has been lost, even if he had lived there for many years.:-)
Getting around by public transport is often much easier, especially for a newcomer. Actually, getting around Sydney is less difficult than getting around Los Angeles, California. There a car is almost a necessity, or at least it was last time I was there decades ago. There was no light rail system, buses might run every hour or so at best.
The older inner suburbs of Sydney were built before the harbour bridge was built, and there is now a tunnel under the harbour as well.
I wasn't married when first flew into Sydney, knew nothing about local accommodation, got a tiny room in the Y.M.C.A. After a couple of days, discovered that all pubs in Sydney had to have a minimum of 10 rooms available as a requirement for their license. At the time, central Sydney probably had 3 or 4 pubs per city block.
Actually, most didn't really care if the rooms were rented or not, so by the third day here had a big room in a pub at a cost of about 2 pounds 10 shillings a week. [ This was before the decimal changeover on 14 Feb 1966.]
Due to my science background, was pretty familiar with the metric system, so had less trouble adapting than many Australians.
At first stayed on the south side of the harbour as working in the city at the time. Later I discovered that living on the north side was more convenient. Shared a large house with some other blokes, took a ferry from the local dock to Circular Quay in Sydney each day, walked from there.
Sydney University and University of New South Wales both have a large number of overseas students looking for accommodation.
If one doesn't mind shared accommodation, it has a few advantages.
I don't know how feasible it is these days, but one thing you might look into is renting a large older house and taking in university students as tenants. With your qualifications, I wouldn't think you would have any problem getting students studying computer engineering, etc.
With a bit of luck and proper charges for rent, you might be able to charge your housemates enough to cover the rent for the entire place, allowing you and your wife to live rent free.
Google search program allows me to specify a general web search or an Australian web search. I specified the latter and searched for the string student accommodation sydney with about 537,000 returns.
Both the universities have services trying to find housing for students, so a quick look at this could be useful.
For a start, perhaps:
The University of Sydney. Accommodation Service ... Services for students, The University of Sydney Authorised by: Office of the Director Student Services. ... www.usyd.edu.au/stuserv/accommodation/ - 16k
Trying to eliminate some of the commercial agencies, I tried using the string .edu sydney universities services student accommodation but still got about 395,000 returns. :-)
Obviously an advanced Google search would be better, but you would know which terms to use better than I would.
Possibly not worth looking into this possibility until you get here, in which case it is probably easier just to phone the student housing offices at the various universities and technical colleges and discussing the possibilities with someone there. :-)
> It seems that evidently I will be confused for beginning days in Sydney. All immigrants, including myself, have gone through such a period. Australia and the USA seemed superficially alike, but there was still a hell of a lot to learn about the subtle and not so subtle differences! I've been here for decades, but still have an accent which would identify me as an American or Canadian.:-)
An old slide rule related joke came to mind earlier. Someone asks a group of students what 2 x 2 equaled. An engineering student whipped out his slip stick, then replied "approximately 4". A student of statistics replied "4, with a confidence factor of .99999999". A mathematics major replied "Precisely 2.000000" A student accountant replied "It depends: Do you want to show a profit or a loss?"
Cheers, Kangaroo16
> Now I need your consultancy for getting a room in a hotel/hostel before > renting a house/apartment. >Where do you recommend? I am a software engineer and clearly my work >place can not be so far from CBD and I will try to find a house after >settling down. Are you looking for somewhere just for yourself initially, or somewhere where you and your wife can stay together rather than separately? Although this probably won't matter all that much.
When I left the U.S., landlords were very fussy about renting a flat to a man and woman unless they could produce a marriage certificate. Australia is considerably less fussy, and usually don't care if the couple are married or not. Probably the only exception would be the YMCA & YWCA.:-)
I agree that it might be much easier to seek accommodation by the day, week, or month, at least at first, until you have a look at the current situation here. The main reason for recommending this is that if try to rent a house initially, some landlords, rental agencies, etc. might want you to sign a lease for six months or a year.
This would be O.K. if you had a job lined up, but if you don't it could be inconvenient. There is no assurance that the job you get will be in the C.B.D., as some businesses and government dept's aren't necessarily in the C.B.D.
Consider that if you are tied down for a year or even six months to someplace near the C.B.D. you may get an ideal job 20 or 30 km away (or more) in one of the inner or outer suburbs, or even in a place outside of the Greater Sydney area. Public transport may not be the best alternative.
Do you have a valid drivers license where you are now? The situation used to be that a licensed overseas migrant could simply show his or her valid home country license and get N.S.W. license [private car] without any further testing. If have to get a license in Australia, would have to go through two years on a provisional license, which has more restrictions.
For a start, explore: http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/licensing/newtonsw/index.html
U.S. readers probably wonder why am even asking if you have a license. In the US, almost everyone gets a drivers license as soon as they are old enough to qualify for one. It suprised me when I came here to find out that many adult Australians had never had one. [Cars were more expensive then, and plenty of people preferred to use public transport anyway. ]
As you know, Australia is desperately seeking skilled migrants in many areas. How much checking have you done on the net for possible positions here?
Am looking at the "Career one" section of the Weekend Australian October 27-28, 2007. See: http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,22648871-5010800,00.html
This site may be of interest: http://www.careerone.com.au/jobs/job-search/get-that-job
For computer and IT jobs in Sydney:
http://cracker.com.au/sydney/jobs/computers-telecommunications/search.aspx
Just to give you an idea of what might suit. I found it when specified Australian sites & Googled with the string
computer engineer ads sydney
about 619,900 returns to this.
This article from a few weeks ago might be of interest http://www.australianit.news.com.au/story/0,24897,22514689-15306,00.html
>I know I am asking so much but any guidelines will be appreciated >deeply. Hopefully, some of the above info may be useful. Elections due here soon, plenty of info on coming election at any Australian news source such as:
http://www.abc.com.au http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/ http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/election2007/
Sorry I can't be of more specific help on recommending specific accommodation, and certainly know nothing about various job opportunities in computing, as not my field. Am but a humble user. My programming experience is limited to simple "Basic", and I often encounter computer languages that I've never even heard of.
When I was an undergraduate in the dim dark past there weren't many about. The common ones were "Basic", "COBAL" & "FORTRAN".
Computers and the net were a bit futuristic. Pocket calculators were just becoming available, and weren't cheap. Students still used slide rules. You could always tell engineering students by the "slip stick" they wore on a leather pouch on their belt.
I don't remember the year when the first desktop electronic calculator was imported by one of the universities. It was considered almost magical at the time, according to what have read in an old electronics magazine. Mains operated, vacuum tube technology. From memory, had a neon display, cost the university around 1000 pounds, but could be wrong on this. If correct, say about US$2,400 then.
Only 4 function, of course. Add, subtract, multiply, divide. .... cost of a cheap pocket calculator today, if can find one with such basic functions, probably around A$ 3 :-)
Today, can buy a reasonably full function scientific calculator for less than A$35 or so.
Does this mean the average citizen of any advanced country would benefit from all this wizardry? If a contestants on a T.V. quiz program were handed such a calculator, I wonder how many would even be able to correctly identify all the functions of the buttons on the keypad, let alone use it to solve a simple practical maths problem?
Oh well, enough for now. Feel free to ask any questions on this group relating to immigration or even travel to Australia.
ShZekavati@gmail.com - 28 Oct 2007 05:53 GMT > On Sat, 27 Oct 2007 18:27:28 -0000, ShZekav...@gmail.com wrote in > <1193509648.086002.296...@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com> : [quoted text clipped - 434 lines] > on this group relating to immigration or even travel to > Australia. Thanks for your great answers. Now let me focus on financial stuff. It is clear that I should have a program for myself for the next months in Sydney before finding a job there, so my question is how much I should consider as our expense per month for a normal life (I can understand that your answer can not be accurate but any estimation can help so much).
kangaroo16 - 28 Oct 2007 09:03 GMT >> On Sat, 27 Oct 2007 18:27:28 -0000, ShZekav...@gmail.com wrote in >> <1193509648.086002.296...@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com> : [quoted text clipped - 441 lines] >month for a normal life (I can understand that your answer can not be >accurate but any estimation can help so much). Now that is a really open-ended question with lots of possible variables!
Firstly, what is your definition of a "normal" life? Definitions vary widely from person to person, and I would be a bit surprised if even you and your wife would have the same definitions.
One way I could approach the question is how my wife & I would try to look at the situation were we to enter Australia for the first time today with no jobs arranged beforehand.
Firstly, we probably wouldn't be looking for settling down even semi-permantly in a given location. Would look for cheap accommodation where we could rent from month to month, or even week to week, as wouldn't wasn't to be tied down by a lease as mentioned in previous letter. [above].
At the same time, would want to do our own cooking to save money.
As it happens, just sent a reply to Helen in Rec. Travel which dealt with a similar issue of low cost accommodation, but just a few days in Sydney for two people. --------------------------- Newsgroups: rec.travel.australia+nz Subject: Re: quiet small hostel in Sydney - mission impossible? Sender: kangaroo@invalid.com Message-ID: <g498i3dn02i4jkrka7d285naf93pr293dt@4ax.com> References: <1193424779.668861.240890@v3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com> <gut4i39ggo7ch3j9jhjg0jf5dpk98e5l1p@4ax.com> <1193517585.216612.136390@o38g2000hse.googlegroups.com> Lines: 352 Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2007 05:28:15 GMT ----------------------- Renting a caravan in a caravan park by the month would seem a good option. Not as any sort of a permanent arrangement, just a temporary place to stay until one or both of us had jobs, then would have the flexibility to move at pretty short notice.
Being confined together in the limited space of a caravan would probably be a bit difficult, but can stand almost anything for a couple of months. Even if may have to go to a central building for toilets, showers, and washing machines.
As to caravan rental, really have no idea of current rates. Depends how far it is out of the CBD, whether the park is private or run by the local shire, and so on.
However a few enquires to the caravan parks in Sydney site should give you some info for a start.
Employers here are desperate for workers of all sorts, and it is definitely a "sellers market" as the link to the article "Recruiters reinvent rules"
What the link doesn't show, but the newspaper does, is a little "Strategies" list for employers and recruiters. It says, quote:
. Speed interviewing . Let candidates create their own job descriptions . Provide opportunities to take sabbaticals . Offer flexible work arrangements . Pay superior salaries . Introduce generous maternity leave provisions . Provide retention bonuses . Offer bonuses such shares and performance related pay . Give ample opportunities to train, learn and develop . Build relationships at all levels
www.rcsa.com.au www.eocexpo.com.au www.mets.net.au www.hays.com.au www.beaton.com.au
Haven't checked any of the above. You might want to have a look at them.
Anyway, other things to do at the moment, so will close. Hope some of the info may be useful.
Cheers, Kangaroo16
As probably wouldn't have a car at that stage, would probably choose a small caravan park, located near a train station, as offers great flexibility of travel over a wide area. Prefer trains over buses, as buses can get caught up in heavy traffic, especially if there is an accident on a highway or main road, as this can tie up traffic for hours.
Nevertheless, if possible, would mind being on a bus route as well. This would be pretty likely if a train station near.
One of the first things would get would be a street directory of Sydney. It can be embarrassing to have an address for a job interview and get lost trying to find the place. Would also get a map of the railway system and bus routes, as well as schedules for both.
Would check on cost and availability of tourist type "day trip explore Sydney" fares. Last time I checked could for a pretty moderate cost get a day long pass enabling travel anywhere on the train, bus, & ferry public transport system. Just to get a "feel" for the city, if nothing else. There is quite a lot to see in the Sydney area. A trip to Taronga Park Zoo would be a must, to acquaint us with Australian animals.
This is on the north side of the harbour, at Mosman. Can get buses there, but the easiest and most pleasant trip is to go via Circular Quay on the south side of the harbour near fairly near the CBD. This is the main spot in the city where most ferries dock, there is a city railway station, and a number of bus stops. So wherever I was living in Sydney, would go to the zoo via Circular Quay.
Access to a computer would be a must, of course, for job applications, research, communication, and so on. My own and an Internet connection if affordable, although could get by if there was a library nearby. Most would have computers with a high speed broadband connection. Usually no charge for using the computer as long as you like, printing and photocopying available at a reasonable charge.
Would do my best to compose a couple of professional quality C.V.s or Resumes, one that would use to apply for a job in my chosen field.
Another to cover any other job I might want to apply for in the interim, or a part-time job, or a short term job.
These could be printed out as needed, photostatted, etc. On the other hand, if you have camera ready copy, and think you might be sending out a lot of them, you can take camera ready copy to any large printer. They will make a photo offset plate from it which isn't all that expensive, and print it on 500 or 1000 sheets of any quality paper you want for little more than the cost of the paper. This is for black, white, and halftones on an offset press.
If you want color, of course, it will be considerably dearer to have printed, but if just want a small number a good colour printer can print nice copy off a computer disk or other storage media.
I suppose one resume could cover both types of jobs, but in looking for a lower paid job outside ones field, it can be better not to mention professional qualifications.
After all, why should an employer hire you and possibly spend money training you if he knows you are going to quit and take a higher paid professional job if the opportunity offers.
Personally, wouldn't bother with the use of colour in paperwork for a job application, but this is a matter of choice. No idea what is considered a good resume these days.
However, for a professional application, I would give some thought to the paper it is printed on. Many people seem to use cheap photocopy type paper. To make my application stand out from the others would submit it on quality bond paper.
As probably is obvious, am not organizing this material according to topic, just writing off the top of my head as various points occur to me.
Getting back to the choice of a caravan park, would try to choose one not only handy to transport, but one that had some shops or a supermarket reasonably handy, as within easy walking distance.
If run out of something, neither of you want to have to catch a train or bus to the nearest market.
Many markets deliver for a small charge, even small supermarkets. Actually, a few do most of their business on the net and may only operate out of a warehouse, not bothering to maintain a retail shop.
Amazon books is one of the more profitable business on the net and they operate worldwide out of a small warehouse in Seattle, Washington, from memory. They don't keep a lot of stock on hand either, just order a lot of it from the publishers as needed.
Try a Google search for web shopping groceries sydney .au
Just tried it and got about 1,300,000 returns. One on the first page was:
Best Sellers - Sydney - Woolworths HomeShop - Australia's premier Online shopping for everyday grocery needs at everyday supermarket prices delivered ... In order to use HomeShop, your Web browser must support JavaScript, ... www.homeshop.com.au/bestsellers.asp?
I haven't checked the site itself as when went there they demanded that I allow placement of a "cookie" on my system, which I generally don't allow.
However, if you are willing to allow it, checking the site will give you an idea of current food prices in Sydney. Fresh fruit and vegetables, fresh meat more expensive than usual due to a severe drought and water shortages at this time.
Of course, if really want to save money and eat cheaply buy in bulk at a wholesale warehouse. Most of these exist to serve smaller shopkeepers who aren't part of a major chain. Supposedly they are "wholesale" and not "retail" but most will deal with you as long as buy say, $200 worth at a time. Some canned goods and small retail packs of rice, sugar, etc. also in case lots.
Most also have catering packs of products in large cans, bags, etc. However, if living in a trailer you probably won't have a lot of storage space. In that case, get to know some local neighbors who have more space and shop together with them.
Fresh fruit and vegetables? Look for supermarket specials or buy at a farmers market.
It is much cheaper to prepare your own meals than to go out to eat. Sure, you can get a McDonalds hamburger for $A 3.50 or so, but I suspect I can do one more to my taste for less expenditure.
Just did a search on Google using the string
migrants guide to australia
and to my surprise got around 344,000 returns. Judging from the first page of 10 there are a few books out now. It might be interesting to explore further on this issue.
Anyway, just a few more random thoughts, I don't know how much they will help.
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