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18Yr Old - UK to Canada - Want Perm. Residence?

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josh.thomas - 28 Apr 2006 22:17 GMT
Hello. I'm 17, and after finishing 6th form (10 months time) I thought I
would take some time out, move to Canada, on a permanent basis.

There are many reasons for me wanting to leave, some personal, some
educational, and that I want more oppertunities when I'm older.

A few things to note is that:

1. I have NO family in Canada
  2. I have a full primary, (and at the time of applying) full
  secondary education (GCSEs, doing AS levels now, and A levels next
  year before leaving) I have everything up to University level (That I
  wish to accomplish later)
2. I have no criminal record
3. I will be taking around £10-15K with me

I want to move, definatley, as I see no way of building a future where I
am now - but I am 100% certain, should I settle and make friends (Money
is not an issue, I will have around £10-15K to start off with, to find a
job etc), I would live out there permanently.

The options I have been suggested are:

1. Apply to a Uni, whilst studying, find a job (work exp.) apply for
permanent residence.

2. Apply for a 2 year work visa (work experience) and have the owner of
the company 'Sponsor' me. After that, I would obtain permanent residece,
and could also attend Uni.

3. Go through 'Abrams & Krochak' (www.akcanada.com - $2000 to
process the paperwork and provide assistance) and apply as an
''Independant" (Apparently its the same as Skilled Worker, but
without the Skilled Part)

Can someone shed some light on how someone in my situation could move to
Canada, at around 18 years old (Earlier the better) on a Permanent Basis
- and as securley as possible.

Thanks in advance guys!
josh.thomas - 29 Apr 2006 16:28 GMT
> Hello. I'm 17, and after finishing 6th form (10 months time) I thought
> I would take some time out, move to Canada, on a permanent basis.
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> Thanks in advance guys!

Anyone? :(
PMM - 29 Apr 2006 18:41 GMT
Hi

>> Hello. I'm 17, and after finishing 6th form (10 months time) I thought
>> I would take some time out, move to Canada, on a permanent basis.
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>
> Anyone? :(

You got a pretty good reply on Britexpats from Andrew.  With no further
education, no job skills, there is absolutely no chance.

PMM
dbcctbc - 22 Jun 2006 17:37 GMT
> Hi
>
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>
> PMM

<<You got a pretty good reply on Britexpats from Andrew. With no further
education, no job skills, there is absolutely no chance.

PMM>>

I slightly disagree with this.  If he finds a Canadian spouse, then he
should be able to immigrate anyway.

But the problem is that it is much more hard to find a job here, as a
non-Canadian, than one would imagine.  Even though Canada claims it has
a great economy, there is massive resistence on the part of most
employers against hiring anyone who hasn't been here their whole lives.
David Peacock - 22 Jun 2006 21:25 GMT
> But the problem is that it is much more hard to find a job here, as a
> non-Canadian, than one would imagine.  Even though Canada claims it has
> a great economy, there is massive resistence on the part of most
> employers against hiring anyone who hasn't been here their whole lives.

You're trolling. Stop it.

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dbcctbc - 22 Jun 2006 23:35 GMT
> > But the problem is that it is much more hard to find a job here, as
> > a
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> --
> David Peacock - davidjpeacock@magma.ca

Could you please define that word?  What is "trolling"?

I'm answering a post and giving my opinion, isn't that what this site is
about?  Communicating with people about the challenges of moving to
another country?

If you disagree with something I've posted, please tell me what and why,
rather than making bizarre or profane or bigoted comments!

Thank you,

D in BC
David Peacock - 23 Jun 2006 13:41 GMT
>> > But the problem is that it is much more hard to find a job here, as
>> > a
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>
> Could you please define that word?  What is "trolling"?

No. I am not a dictionary. Look it up yourself.

> I'm answering a post and giving my opinion, isn't that what this site is
> about?  Communicating with people about the challenges of moving to
> another country?

This "site" is a usenet group with (sadly) various crappy web portals
pointing to it.

> If you disagree with something I've posted, please tell me what and why,
> rather than making bizarre or profane or bigoted comments!

Your claim (quoted above) is completely baseless and entirely
subjective. It is not useful information, nor does it have any merit.

In my first three months of living here, I had three solid employement
offers (with physical offer letters and contracts) and am currently
gainfully employed within my realm of expertise.

Stop trolling. I don't care if you think I am being bigoted, you are
already in my killfile. Congratulations.

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David Peacock - davidjpeacock@magma.ca

dbcctbc - 23 Jun 2006 16:10 GMT
> >> > But the problem is that it is much more hard to find a job here,
> >> > as
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> --
> David Peacock - davidjpeacock@magma.ca

Well, now that you have blocked me, and won't see my reply, I guess we
can't discuss what YOU have done in your situation that has been so
successful.  Nor can we find out what field you are in or any details.

What I said is absolutely true.  The 18 yo guy who wrote, if he found a
Canadian spouse at some point, could immigrate regardless of his
education or work experience.  Obviously it has to be a genuine
relationship.  But the point I was making is that EMPLOYMENT is the real
issue, bottom line, no matter what, unless someone is wealthy.

My partner has a Master's degree, numerous employment references,
launched three radio stations so far in his career back east, taught
numerous courses on journalism, and has a career history that many
people refer to as outstanding.

He has applied for over 65 positions in B.C. in broadcasting, journalism
and university education in 18 months.  He has also applied to positions
in and near Ottawa and Toronto.  He has not been interviewed once.

He has even tried filling out casual work applications for part time
positions at bookstores, office supply stores, etc to find something to
help pay the bills.  He has seen job applications where they say
"Canadians Preferred"  Also that statement has been found in numerous
newspaper ads that we've seen for various positions.  On one casual job
application, it asked for not only your current address but also your
previous "Canadian Address".  These are all ways that many employers
screen out newcomers, whether they be people with open work permits, or
new permanent residents who haven't been here long and don't have a
previous "Canadian Address".  One does not see this type of screening in
the USA.  We've never seen job ads in the papers down south that say
"USA" or "Americans Preferred".  The point I make it that it's valid
discussion about how to get past the obstacle of many Canadian employers
not wanting to consider a newcomer.

I don't know if it is this way in other provinces, but we've seen it a
lot here.  Clearly this shows an intent on the part of many employers
to go above and beyond to hire only those who have a lengthy Canadian
work history.

My partner approached several Chamer of Commerce offices in our local
area.  One went so far as to say "You are NOT going to connect directly
with any employer here.  Maybe if you volunteer for a few years someone
might like what they see and given you a temporary contract project to
work on"  Another told him that employers in B.C. are very resistent to
hiring or even interviewing non-Canadians.

He has also contacted several dozen employment recruiters and temp
agencies.  No response.  Clearly they have plenty of Canadian
applicants.

Now of course, I'm sure if he could do blue collar work, he might find
something....

During this we have read several articles that point to a serious
difficulty for immigrants to find jobs in their field.

If you'd like to continue in a friendly and useful conversation, it
would be interesting.  Perhaps your field is one that where there is a
labor shortage....or there is some other reason.

Why you have taken a hostile tone, when I'm simply sharing my experience
is beyond me.  You don't know me, nor can you tell me our story is not
true.  Why would we make it up?

You say our experience is entirely subjective, but again, there are
numerous newspaper articles lately talking about this very problem.  My
question would also be, is this Canada wide or is this just certain
provinces?

It's only fair to discuss both sides of the issue.

Are you a moderator of this group?  Are you trying to censor opinions
you don't like?

Why the hostility?

I posted here to give a first hand experience to someone who said he was
considering taking his life savings at a young age, and making a very
difficult and serious decision....when he might just be better off
staying home in the UK.

Also, I wanted others to read what I said and give their opinions.  So
far, I have only heard back from you.
sootcasey - 24 Jun 2006 12:50 GMT
Hello!

I'm very sorry to Josh, I do not mean to bring the focus away from yo
in this thread, I would just like to ask one thing to dbcctbc :)
Firstly, I think you were definately not in the wrong (from what I ca
see anyway), and as you have your own personal experiences I count you
opinion as very valid. That is why I am coming to you for this.

I made another thread about this, but I got no replies so this is jus
one last attempt to see if anyone can help me. I'm sort of in the sam
situation as Josh here, I do not want to spend my future here in th
UK, and there are so many reasons for me wanting to spend my life i
Canada. The difference is I am only 16 and I have just finished m
primary education here in the UK. I'm that desperate to leave that
don't even want to do my secondary education here, and if it mean
taking a year out first then that is what I shall do. As you seem t
know your stuff, could you help me in any way by telling me if it i
even possible for me to do next year? I'm willing to do it any way
through a work visa or student visa or any other way at all. I'd lik
some help from you (or anyone else) about what someone should do in m
situation.

Also, what is the definition of a spouse? As I am in a very seriou
relationship with a girl and in two weeks time she will be moving t
Canada and becoming a permenant resident. Is there anyway this coul
help me get there? If I were to go over, I would be living with her an
her family.

Sorry again to Josh, and dbcctbc (or anyone else) if you do not wish t
reply to me in this thread, here is my email - karenmckinney20@aol.com

Thankyou so much, I hope to hear from you soon.

And also don't listen to what people say, you were causing no harm an
only offering your opinion, I do not see how you were in the wrong.

Casey

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dbcctbc - 24 Jun 2006 17:54 GMT
> Hello!
>
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> Posted via http://www.mymigration.net

Hi:

Well, thanks.  And good luck in your situation too.

I'm not an expert, but I do know this:

If you have the funds to attend a university in Canada, then you should
be able to in most cases.  You just need to apply to a school and get a
letter of acceptance -- then apply for a study permit.  You may have to
prove certain things, and provide documents.
I'm pretty sure that in some provinces you may be able to hold a part
time job while studying here [if you can find one] off campus, and in
most you can definitely take an on-campus job.  There was something in
the news about this recently, but I forget the details.

As for education prior to university -- I do know there are some foreign
students who do that here, but I don't know how it works.  You might
want to check the web site for the Minister of Education in the Canadian
province you are interested in attending, or the Minister of Advanced
Education if for university.

As to your spouse or future spouse, I think you need to prove that you
are in a relationship for a certain duration of time.  I don't know if
there are age limits [i.e. you are only 16 now], or what time limits
there are.  That would better be asked of a good quality immigration
attorney.  I do know that Canada recognizes married partners [opposite
and now same sex too] and also they recognize long term domestic [long
term relationship but not officially married] partners [opposite sex and
same sex] [i.e. together but not formally married] as long as it's a
legitimate relationship, i.e. you aren't making it up.  They do ask for
supporting documentation, such as a lease signed together, joint bank
account, own property or whatever to prove your relationship etc.

Now, if she is already Canadian or a permanent resident, she may at some
point be able to sponsor you to live here.

It's interesting to read about different people from the UK coming to
Canada for better job opportunities and whatnot.  Whereas, most people
from the USA that come here it seems aren't looking for a better job,
but just a way to be here because it is a different country and
supposedly more socially "liberal" and "tolerant".  But then again,
salaries in Canada tend to be equal or lower than the same positions in
the USA, but the taxes are higher....so you earn less than you would in
the USA.  So, I guess it's all depending on where you are from and why
you want to leave your home country.

You might also check to see if there are any differences in that you are
coming from the UK rather than another country.  Are there any other
programs that may not be known about or may only apply to members of the
British Commonwealth.  Again, never heard of anything like that, but
it's worth checking into.  Also, are there any scholarships you might be
able to apply for.

I took some courses out here while my partner was looking for work --
and earned about 15 credits in at a university-college so far.  I found
that it was more expensive than if I took the equivalent courses at a
state run university in my home state in the USA, but not nearly as
expensive other universities in my home area that are not gov't
affiliated.

Another thing you might look for if you take some university [or
similar] program in Canada is whether or not they can help you get an
internship [paid or unpaid] in the program of study, and also if there
are opportunities for the school to help you land a real life job after
you graduate.  In some cases you may be able to get a work permit for 6
months or maybe a year, if you have an offer of employment upon
graduation in the field of study for which you were studying in Canada.

This is about all I can think of.  The real problem is making it work
within the guidelines, and also finding a way to be sure you can support
yourself through your education financially and if you have a work
permit or become a permanent resident -- that you have a good position
to make it happen for you.

Again, you should probably consult a qualified immigration attorney for
complicated or detailed questions, and/or the international studies
office at a school you plan to attend if that applies.

Now, if you are just looking to go to Canada to work and/or immigrate,
but you don't have any university or similar credentials, i.e. associate
degree, etc. and not much work experience it may be difficult.... but
not necessarily impossible.  If you have a spouse who is Canadian, they
can sponsor you, if you go into certain fields there may be differences
[check the immigration Canada web site] and also there could be certain
situations in which a certain province within Canada has a specific need
and can nominate you, so the rules may be different with that.

The best thing to do is figure out why you want to be here and do as
much research on it as you can.  I'm sure there are others on this forum
with more knowledge about moving to Canada too....but always do the
research with both the immigration web site and the province you want to
go to, and of course consult some experts.  Some immigration lawyers may
be willing to talk to you by email or phone for a short time for a free
consultation and tell you what you do or don't qualify for, without
collecting a fee.  I think it's best to call one in the province that
you are interested in because they should know details for that area.
Also check the immigration web site http://www.cic.gc.ca/     and also
look for links to web sites for the province or provinces you are
interested in.

Another point I thought of in your situation, as you say that your
girlfriend is becoming a permanent resident in Canada  with her family.
Talk to her and her parents and whomever their Canadian immigration
attorney is.  If this is a long term relationship and you are of the
appropriate age, it shouldn't be that hard to be together  -- that's all
I can think of.

Take care,

D in B.C.
 
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