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sisincorp - 25 Jul 2006 02:51 GMT
www.doityourselfcanada.com provide complete guide on Do it Yourself
immigration to Canada as skilled worker without paying attoney's for
thousands dollars.
Roges Hyspeed Internot Slurport - 25 Jul 2006 03:23 GMT
> www.doit.yourself.canada.com provide complete guide on Do it Yourself
> immigration to Canada as skilled worker without paying attoney's for
> thousands dollars.

Holly crap $99 for what amounts to a load of information you can get for
free !

Scam ? dunno ?
David Peacock - 25 Jul 2006 04:36 GMT
>> www.doit.yourself.canada.com provide complete guide on Do it Yourself
>> immigration to Canada as skilled worker without paying attoney's for
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>
> Scam ? dunno ?

Amen.

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dbcctbc - 25 Jul 2006 17:21 GMT
> www.doityourselfcanada.com provide complete guide on Do it Yourself
> immigration to Canada as skilled worker without paying attoney's for
> thousands dollars.

Buy this and it will only make someone that much richer......but you
still won't have a job in Canada....

Many people qualify and can immigrate to Canada with, or without a
lawyer....

but if you don't come here with prearranged, guaranteed employment, you
will likely fail.

There are many SCAMS in Canada.  Few jobs.
Roges Hyspeed Internot Slurport - 25 Jul 2006 18:52 GMT
>> www.doityourselfcanada.com provide complete guide on Do it Yourself
>> immigration to Canada as skilled worker without paying attoney's for
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>
> There are many SCAMS in Canada.  Few jobs.

Ahh a reply from Mr bittersweet.
There are SCAMS in EVERY country.
David has a job in IT and seems to like it here (according to his blog), I
have a skilled job and like it here.
I used to use a msn nic which seems appropriate and I am sure David will
like " there are those who wait in the lobby for the elevator of life and
there are those willing to climb the stairs with all their luggage"

147 floors of pain, I think a lot of us climbed them to get to Canada, but
for some of us it was worth the pain.
dbcctbc - 26 Jul 2006 14:56 GMT
> >> www.doityourselfcanada.com provide complete guide on Do it Yourself
> >> immigration to Canada as skilled worker without paying attoney's
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> but
> for some of us it was worth the pain.

I suspect if you are in IT, you may have a better chance, slightly
better -- than people in certain other fields.

We are not waiting for the lobby elevator as you saying goes.  And you
would be a little upset too if you wasted savings and two years of your
life on nothing.

We are returning to the USA, where people [most of the time] are given a
fair chance at positions they are qualified for, and national origin
isn't held as the holy grail to getting a decent job.

In the past 2 or 3 months, my partner has heard back from several
employers in the USA -- and talked with a few by phone for 20 - 30 min.
He has two open offers for part time and freelance work when he returns,
and he's also under consideration for several quality full time
positions.

It's only while we've been in Canada, that he's been ignored.

We came here with the idea that he'd definitely expect lower pay and a
less fancy position in his field, or a related field, this for the
priviledge of living in Canada.  However, that wasn't to be.

I don't doubt that the Canadian immigration and/or work permit
experience works for some ---- but most of these people have prearranged
employment or are very lucky, know someone, or are in a field with a
dire shortage of talent.

People should be given real advice and real facts before they uproot
their lives.  Something lacking at the offices of the immigration
"professionals" [aka   lawyers, ] whom charge thousands to process
applications for work permits and permanent residence applications.

It's only fair that newcomers and those considering get the real
story....rather than inflated hopes and rosey scanarios.

I think the Globe and Mail  news article of July 2006   says a lot about
how difficult it really is.  At some point, you have to wonder if the
"deck" is stacked against you.  And it is for most people who come to
Canada, without prearranged, guaranteed employment.

Canada is a wonderful country, and I love many things about it.  I still
believe it is one of the two best nations on earth [USA and Canada]  but
it's really only a good place to visit or have a vacation home.

Yes, Canada does allow many immigrants in, and should be commended for
this. ....  however it has a lot of work to do as far as making sure
these people get a fair chance at employment where they are qualified.

I still think Canada is great as a tourist destination too....and I'd
recommend anyone who could afford to, to have a vacation home in one of
the beautiful provinces here.

David
Roges Hyspeed Internot Slurport - 26 Jul 2006 17:14 GMT
<snip>.

> I suspect if you are in IT, you may have a better chance, slightly
> better -- than people in certain other fields.

There are MANY posts that refer to the IT sector and most are despondant
ones belaying the difficulty in getting even a box shifting position.

> We are not waiting for the lobby elevator as you saying goes.  And you
> would be a little upset too if you wasted savings and two years of your
> life on nothing.

Mine was a "sh.t or bust" move as are many others. I landed doing a full
sprint and accepting no bull (homework)
I had a plan and pretty much nothing stood in the way (even red tape was cut
down with very sharp words)

> We are returning to the USA, where people [most of the time] are given a
> fair chance at positions they are qualified for, and national origin
> isn't held as the holy grail to getting a decent job.

I have found little in the way of discrimination (not to say there is zero).
If you want discrimination then try europe !
I have however found a wider variety of nations in an even wider variety of
positions.

> In the past 2 or 3 months, my partner has heard back from several
> employers in the USA -- and talked with a few by phone for 20 - 30 min.
> He has two open offers for part time and freelance work when he returns,
> and he's also under consideration for several quality full time
> positions.

Thats pretty much my position here in Canada.

> It's only while we've been in Canada, that he's been ignored.
>
> We came here with the idea that he'd definitely expect lower pay and a
> less fancy position in his field, or a related field, this for the
> priviledge of living in Canada.  However, that wasn't to be.

There lies part of the problem. You came with pre-concieved notions.

> I don't doubt that the Canadian immigration and/or work permit
> experience works for some ---- but most of these people have prearranged
> employment or are very lucky, know someone, or are in a field with a
> dire shortage of talent.

I honestly know of nobody who came with pre-arranged employment. I come
under your last three but only because I made it so

> People should be given real advice and real facts before they uproot
> their lives.  Something lacking at the offices of the immigration
> "professionals" [aka   lawyers, ] whom charge thousands to process
> applications for work permits and permanent residence applications.

I hope I give more advice than just "dont come to canada" and "there is no
hope". Nor do I just say "I was lucky, come to canada".
For the most part I think I try balance my posts.

> It's only fair that newcomers and those considering get the real
> story....rather than inflated hopes and rosey scanarios.

And what was the real story about the taxi driver ?
All the facts and not just the newspaper article, and a misguided web page
with doctored photos.

> I think the Globe and Mail  news article of July 2006   says a lot about
> how difficult it really is.  At some point, you have to wonder if the
> "deck" is stacked against you.  And it is for most people who come to
> Canada, without prearranged, guaranteed employment.

Again I refer you to my quote further up with regards pre-arranged
employment.

> Canada is a wonderful country, and I love many things about it.  I still
> believe it is one of the two best nations on earth [USA and Canada]  but
> it's really only a good place to visit or have a vacation home.

I guess we have to agree to disagree on that one. I also find it a good
place to live.

> Yes, Canada does allow many immigrants in, and should be commended for
> this. ....  however it has a lot of work to do as far as making sure
> these people get a fair chance at employment where they are qualified.

We fully agree on one thing at last. I had problems with my qualifications
but took the bull by the horns and sorted it out PDQ.
As for fair chance for immigrants yes they should take thier chances like
anyone else.

> I still think Canada is great as a tourist destination too....and I'd
> recommend anyone who could afford to, to have a vacation home in one of
> the beautiful provinces here.
>
> David

I wish you luck in your return to the US.
David Peacock - 26 Jul 2006 16:03 GMT
> David has a job in IT and seems to like it here (according to his blog), I
> have a skilled job and like it here.

If you're referring to me, yes, I do rather like it! I'll stay. :-)

> I used to use a msn nic which seems appropriate and I am sure David will
> like " there are those who wait in the lobby for the elevator of life and
> there are those willing to climb the stairs with all their luggage"

I could not agree more. There are those that talk, and those that do.
99% [1] of all people you come across who talk about moving to another
country are just time wasters who will blow hot air all day long.

They never really intend to do it and will blame all manner of things
for holding them back. "My job is secure right now.", "I need to take
care of my third cousin", "I have an ingrowing toenail", blah blah blah.

These people convince themselves that they are bold enough, but never
did because of an outside interferance. :-) They are also the kind of
people who "could have" written a best selling book, but didn't.

[1] Statistic provided by the ministry of thin air. [2]
[2] Still, that's how it seems to me from all the people I have spoken
to all of my life about emigration.

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http://quasicanuck.blogspot.com/

Kash - 29 Jul 2006 15:32 GMT
My two cents,

Origin India four years here skilled job and like it here, same for the
wife. Children well settled, Although the first year to 18 months was tough.

Kash in Beautiful British Columbia

>> David has a job in IT and seems to like it here (according to his blog),
>> I
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> [2] Still, that's how it seems to me from all the people I have spoken
> to all of my life about emigration.
 
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