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Immigration Forum / Canada / December 2006If they U.S. brings back the draft do you think Canada will welcome draft dodgers with open arms again?
I sure hope so. It was fine when only the poor and uneducated were going off to war (voluntarily), but when they stop looking for volunteers and start forcing people to go that's when it's time to check out another english speaking country. >I sure hope so. It was fine when only the poor and uneducated were going off to >war (voluntarily), but when they stop looking for volunteers and start forcing >people to go that's when it's time to check out another english speaking >country. I think that those times are passed, especially if the Conservatives are in power. And don't forget October 1970, when Trudeau declared the War Measures Act during the FLQ crisis. My brother had a number of draft dodgers as friends in Ontario back then, and many of the high profile ones (like Joe Hensby) who were also involved in the anti-war movement (publishing newspapers and whatnot) decided to pull up stakes, move back to the USA and take their chances with Nixon rather than live in what they saw as an emerging police state. Even though no one outside of Quebec was ever arrested and detained without cause or warrant under the WMA. alt.gossip.celebrities deleted. > I think that those times are passed, especially if the Conservatives are in > power. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > they saw as an emerging police state. Even though no one outside of Quebec was > ever arrested and detained without cause or warrant under the WMA. Thanks for a good laugh Marty, but I am sure that you know as well as we that your anecdote is total bullshit. >> I think that those times are passed, especially if the Conservatives are in >> power. [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > well as we that your anecdote > is total bullshit. What part? The part where my brothers associates left Canada and never returned? That wasn't bull sh.t, my friend. That's a fact. My brother told me so back in 1970. As for the arrests outside of Quebec during the time when Canada was under the WMA, that's true as well. From what I've read. > >> My brother had a number of draft dodgers as friends in Ontario back then, and > >> many of the high profile ones (like Joe Hensby) who were also involved in the [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > That wasn't bull sh.t, my friend. That's a fact. My brother told me so back in > 1970. That is the part that is bull. they may have returned to the US for one reason or another, but the WMA was only in place for a very short time and was used to deal with a very serious problem, a series of terrorist incidents that had escalated from bombings to kidnapping and murder. If you expect me to believe that they risked going back and spending time in Leavenworth for fear of Canada becoming a police state you are going to have to do better than that. > As for the arrests outside of Quebec during the time when Canada was under the > WMA, that's true as well. From what I've read. That part is true. It was used to deal with a problem in Quebec. It was an action taken by a French Canadian Prime Minister as requested by the French Canadian Premier of Quebec. Naturally, French Canadians used the episode to whine about Anglo oppression. >> >> My brother had a number of draft dodgers as friends in Ontario back then, >> >> and [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > Canada becoming a police state you are going to have to do better > than that. It's not my problem if what my brother told me doesn't agree with your opinion. Your view is yours. I don't care if you believe me or not. >> As for the arrests outside of Quebec during the time when Canada was under >> the [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > French Canadians used the episode to whine about Anglo > oppression. I'm glad we agree on something. > > risked going back and spending time in Leavenworth for fear of > > Canada becoming a police state you are going to have to do better [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Your view is yours. Dave's view is not his own. He speaks for a borg entity. > I don't care if you believe me or not. > > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > I'm glad we agree on something. The only good excuse for the WMA being invoked was to pacify some external "allies" using the situation to gage the "resolve" of Canadian soveriegnty. Internally, the whole thing was political catastrophe and a moral failure of Parliament: the FLQ should *never* have been granted the status of anything other than criminal thugs, and invocation of the WMA did just that, as well as legally accusing every loyal Canadian of effective treason. Not a good way for a central "authority" to win friends and influence people. Not what you'd call a "Nationbuilding" event, either. Dhu On Fri, 22 Dec 2006 23:00:15 GMT, PorchMonkey4Life <pm4life@yousuckbutidont.com> wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted someone who said : >I sure hope so. It was fine when only the poor and uneducated were going >off to war (voluntarily), but when they stop looking for volunteers and >start forcing people to go that's when it's time to check out another >english speaking country. Even in the world wars there was strong opposition to conscription (Canadian for draft) especially in Quebec.  SignatureCanadian Mind Products, Roedy Green, http://mindprod.com Priorities: Prevent global climate destabilisation. End both wars. Prepare for oil shortages. >I sure hope so. It was fine when only the poor and uneducated were going >off to war (voluntarily), but when they stop looking for volunteers and >start forcing people to go that's when it's time to check out another >english speaking country. That wouldn't be allowed by the Canadian government. Stephen Harper is our idiot prime minister, and his favorite hobby is kissing GW Bush's a.s. >>I sure hope so. It was fine when only the poor and uneducated were going >>off to war (voluntarily), but when they stop looking for volunteers and [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Harper is our idiot prime minister, and his favorite hobby is kissing > GW Bush's a.s. I think you are wrong. There are a fair number of AWOL soldiers here in Canada right now. BC and down east are where the majority end up because of border crossings. I very much agree that Harper is an idiot. vxp > I sure hope so. It was fine when only the poor and uneducated were going > off to war (voluntarily), but when they stop looking for volunteers and > start forcing people to go that's when it's time to check out another > english speaking country. The draft will probably be one of the most efficient ways to get the soldiers out of Iraq. Once the US government starts drafting all of the kids from privileged families and starts sending them off to Iraq, you can bet that there will all of a sudden be a lot more political pressure to get the soldiers home. Probably most of the draft dodgers who make it to Canada will be the rich brats anyway, since the poor people would probably not have the resources to make the trip. Or they're already in Iraq. A. >> I sure hope so. It was fine when only the poor and uneducated were going >> off to war (voluntarily), but when they stop looking for volunteers and [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > soldiers out of Iraq. Once the US government starts drafting all of the > kids from privileged families Not a snowball's chance in hell that will happen. The draft still has all sorts of deferments -- college, family, etc., etc. Rich frat boys will still be able to avoid the draft. > and starts sending them off to Iraq, you > can bet that there will all of a sudden be a lot more political [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > A. >>> I sure hope so. It was fine when only the poor and uneducated were going >>> off to war (voluntarily), but when they stop looking for volunteers and [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] >> >> A. They're talking about making women eligible for the draft. WTF???? > They're talking about making women eligible for the draft. WTF???? We asked for equal rights, so we also have to take equal responsibilities. > > I sure hope so. It was fine when only the poor and uneducated were going > > off to war (voluntarily), but when they stop looking for volunteers and [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > A. The children of priveleged families won't be drafted, they will buy deferments just as they did in Korea and Vietnam. I agree however the pressure to end the war would increase. > The children of priveleged families won't be drafted, they will buy > deferments just as they did in Korea and Vietnam. I agree however the > pressure to end the war would increase. It's interesting how that has worked in the past. It seems that you can have one presidential candidate who voluntarily enlists and then volunteers for a dangerous job, gets wounded several times and decorated and than have you military record smeared by the guys campaigning for another candidate who used his father's influence to get him a choice spot in the National Guard and not even complete that service. |
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