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British Lion - 17 Oct 2004 19:42 GMT
Hi

I have a serious question which has got us both VERY worried. My fiancee
in the states hurt her back at work so she cannot work for some time,
maybe never again. The other problem we have now found is that there is
NO ONE in her family who has enough to sponsor me for the 125% or even a
friend that has this much money. She has 3 children making our household
5 people which I believe is $27,538 (125%) Someone also told me that
this figure must ALSO be multiplied by a factor of 5!

So thats the question really. Are our chances of marrying and having a
new life gone forever, because reading thru all the help sites and
official government sites - this looks like the end for us. I have 3
very loving (future) step children and a VERY upset fiancee. This is
disastrous to us.

Is there some way I can use my savings to BOOST our assets? Would it
also help if I bought a house for us (currently private renting) in the
states?. Will they take into account the value of our property?

Someone please help with some encouraging words - if there are any?

Thank you
ian-mstm - 17 Oct 2004 19:52 GMT
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> Thank you

Multiplying by 5 is only necessary for the difference between the
$27,538 and what she actually makes. If she makes, for example, $20,000
a year, then she would need $7,538 x 5 = $37,690 in assets to make up
the difference. That'll bring her up to the 125% level. Also, unless
you've been living together for 6+ months, your assets are largely
irrelevant.

I'm afraid I have no encouraging news, but perhaps others will have
better options you.

Ian
USA & Pakistan - 17 Oct 2004 21:34 GMT
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> Thank you

Do you understand that whoever sponsors you does not have to make enough
for your whole family size (fiancee & kids)?  They only need to make the
125% income level for their household size plus you.  So if her mom and
dad are going to sponsor, it would be the income level for 3 people -
mom, dad and you.

Can she apply for SSI Disability income?

Also - anyone?  Hypothetically, could he give her (sign over to her)
assets to make up any income deficency?

I hope this helps!  Good Luck!

:)Marnee

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British Lion - 31 Oct 2004 23:41 GMT
> Do you understand that whoever sponsors you does not have to make
> enough for your whole family size (fiancee & kids)?  They only need to
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> :)Marnee

[QUOTE=USA & Pakistan]Do you understand that whoever sponsors you
does not have to make enough for your whole family size (fiancee &
kids)?  They only need to make the 125% income level for their
household size plus you.

Oh OK I didnt understand this. Its all a bit confusing. If this is the
case then Im fine as my fiancees brother is sponsering me so its just
him and myself that he has to cover correct? Does the x5 rule apply
here though?

thanks
meauxna - 01 Nov 2004 00:15 GMT
> [QUOTE=USA & Pakistan]Do you understand that whoever sponsors you does
> not have to make enough for your whole family size (fiancee & kids)?
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> thanks

It's true if: the brother lives alone. If so him + you = 2; his salary
must be just under $16000 per year before taxes. If his salary is less
than that, he must use assets, which is where the X5 thing comes in, but
I'll bet his salary is +16K.
Rete - 01 Nov 2004 00:35 GMT
> [QUOTE=USA & Pakistan]Do you understand that whoever sponsors you does
> not have to make enough for your whole family size (fiancee & kids)?
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> thanks

As others have explained but you continue to return to, the 5 x rule
that you continually refer to is for assets which are used in place of
earned income.

Your fiancee is going to have to complete the I-134 Affidavit of
Support (AOS) for your K-1 visa in England.  This is regardless of
whether or not she meets the requirements.  If she does not, this is
were the joint/co-sponsor comes in.  The J/CS will need to also give
you an I-134 AOS for submission at the time of your K-1 interview at
the US Consulate in London.

The same issues will come up after the K-1 is approved, you come to the
US, you get married and she files for your Adjustment of Status (Adj).
This time around, however, she will need to complete the I-186 Affidavit
of Support and again this is whether or not she is financially able to
meet the requirements.  Again, the J/CS has to kick in with another AOS
for you if she is incapable of meeting the financial requirements.  And
this time, he will do the I-864.

Now for both the I-134 and the I-864 the principal requirement is that
if one earns 125% of the poverty guidelines for the family size (the
current members living within the home) plus one (the foreign spouse
and/or fiancee), then that is all that is required to be proved for
financial sponsorship.  However, if the USC fiancee/spouse does not met
the financial requirements with earned income/salary, then assets can be
used to make up the different.  I believe Ian spelled it out for you.
If your fiancee's disability income is say $15,000 annually then she
would need to make up the difference of $12,538 times 5 in assets.  This
formula is the same for the C/JS if there is a monetary gap between
earned income/salary and the 125% level.

As for your buying a house, etc., please note that there have been
people on this forum who have posted that the US Consulate in London has
allowed them to sponsor themselves if they have enough in assets.  I am
unsure, but reason dictates, that the 125% x 5 number would be based on
a single person ..... YOU and would not include your fiancee's family
and/or the fiancee herself.

My suggestion, therefore, would be to e-mail the US Consulate in London
and ask them specifically if you can do this if you have the assets
available to meet this financial sponsorship level.  If it is possible,
it will get you into the US for the purpose of marriage and then after
marriage you can use your brother-in-law as a C/JS for the I-864 and
hopefully you will be able to accept employment if employment in your
field is available in your US location and then at the time of the Adj
interview substitute a new I-864 completed by your wife and yourself and
alleviate your brother-in-law from the financial burden of being your
sponsor for god knows how long.

Rete

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I'm not an attorney.  This disclaimer is valid in NYS!

mikehope - 18 Oct 2004 17:12 GMT
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> Thank you

The sponsorship is only so that you can prove to immigration that you
will be OK financially while you are waiting for a work permit and there
is no danger of you needing to work illegally.
USA & Pakistan - 18 Oct 2004 18:20 GMT
> The sponsorship is only so that you can prove to immigration that you
> will be OK financially while you are waiting for a work permit and
> there is no danger of you needing to work illegally.

Not true.  Not even close to true.  A sponsor is agreeing to support the
immigrant and reimburse any agency for means-tested public benefits
indefinately unless certain conditions are met.  Read it for yourself:

Quote from the I-864 instruction page:

"A sponsor's obligation continues until the sponsored immigrant becomes
a U.S. citizen, can be credited with 40 qualifying quarters of work,
departs the United States permanently, or dies.  Divorce does not
terminate the obligation.  By signing this form, you, the sponsor, agree
to support the intending immigrant and any spouse and/or children
immigrating with him or her and to reimburse any government agency or
private entity that provides these sponsored immigrants with Federal,
State, or local means-tested public benefits."

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