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Marrying a foreigner who's here on a work visa

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Pierre Abbat - 23 Oct 2004 09:45 GMT
I am an American. If I marry a foreigner who's in the USA on a work visa,
and she wants to become a permanent resident, do I have to sponsor her or
can she prove that she's unlikely to be a public charge based on her own
earnings?

phma
anon - 23 Oct 2004 10:12 GMT
> I am an American. If I marry a foreigner who's in the USA on a work visa,
> and she wants to become a permanent resident, do I have to sponsor her or
> can she prove that she's unlikely to be a public charge based on her own
> earning

If they are going to adjust status based on marrying a US citizen, then
you will need to sponsor them.
Folinskyinla - 23 Oct 2004 17:02 GMT
> I am an American. If I marry a foreigner who's in the USA on a work
> visa,
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Hi:

Yes to both.

You must sponsor her.

If you been living in the same household for six months or longer,
her income can be combined with yours and she becomes a co-sponsor on
the I-864A.

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Pierre Abbat - 23 Oct 2004 20:19 GMT
> Yes to both.
>
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> her income can be combined with yours and she becomes a co-sponsor on
> the I-864A.

So what happens if we get married and before the six months her company
fires her, sends her home, or whatever? My earnings aren't enough to meet
the requirement.

(I don't have someone in mind; I'm asking hypothetically.)

phma
meauxna - 23 Oct 2004 22:19 GMT
> > Yes to both.
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(I don't have someone in mind; I'm asking hypothetically.)

What a peculiar line of questioning then...
Ray - 24 Oct 2004 05:07 GMT
> (I don't have someone in mind; I'm asking hypothetically.)
>
> What a peculiar line of questioning then...

Calling BE member Hypothetically!! Are you there??? We have a question
for you..
And your answer is ... He say's you talking bullshit!
Trent - 23 Oct 2004 23:57 GMT
> > Yes to both.
> >
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Then you have to have co-sponsor(s), like your parents, willing to sign
that they will be responsible and their own income should be high enough
to "fill-in" where your income comes short.

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USA & Pakistan - 24 Oct 2004 05:58 GMT
> Then you have to have co-sponsor(s), like your parents, willing to
> sign that they will be responsible and their own income should be high
> enough to "fill-in" where your income comes short.
>
> ---

Hi Tariq -

FYI: Co-sponsors do not 'fill in' the amount that the sponsor is short.
Their income has to be 125% of the fed poverty level for their family
size plus the immigrant.

:)Marnee
Trent - 24 Oct 2004 17:28 GMT
> Hi Tariq -
>
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> :)Marnee

Thanks for the correction Marnee :)

You may be right and sometimes it's confusing. Perhaps Mr. F, will give
us insight into this. I'm quoting below Affidavit of Support Factsheet

The income of certain other household members may be added in computing
income level if they sign a contract, Form I-864A, agreeing to make
their income and/or assets available for the support of the sponsored
immigrants.

Above quote is taken from the URL below:
http://uscis.gov/graphics/publicaffairs/factsheets/afffact.htm

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andrea874 - 24 Oct 2004 17:59 GMT
> Thanks for the correction Marnee :)
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Thats only if they live in the same house...
meauxna - 24 Oct 2004 19:36 GMT
> Thanks for the correction Marnee :)
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Trent,
Much confusion stems from the term "co-sponsor"; there is no such
official term. One is either a Sponsor (primary) or Joint Sponsor. In
marriage-based cases, the USC spouse will always be the Sponsor, whether
or not their income/asset picture is sufficient. If it is not, they may
use a Joint Sponsor, whose income must be sufficient for their household
+ the immigrant spouse. The Joint Sponsor typically lives outside the
household and must be a USC or PR resident in the US. They do not have
to be related to the USC or the immigrating spouse.

In cases where the USC and the foreign spouse have been living together
for 6+ months, the foreign spouse's US income + any eligible assets may
be included with the USC's to satisfy the I-864. This relationship is
sometimes called co-sponsor (although people sometimes substitute that
term where they really mean Joint Sponsor). The I864A is likely not
required in this situation, but some officers ask for it, so it is a
good idea to have one prepared in advance.

There are other cases where the -A would be required in a marriage-based
case (ie where the Joint Sponsor filed a joint tax return and that
person's spouse is giving permission for their income to be considered
in support of the immigrant).

So, yeah, Marnee's right :)
anon - 24 Oct 2004 02:36 GMT
>>Yes to both.
>>
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>
> (I don't have someone in mind; I'm asking hypothetically.)

OIC, you are just asking for the fun of it.
What do you mean "whatever"?  If she has the job at the time of the
interview, then there is no problem if she loses it afterward. It's not
like they are going to constantly monitor your income. You are the
sponsor. This means YOU are responsible for whatever expenses occur that
are related to the I-864.
Noorah101 - 24 Oct 2004 02:50 GMT
> >>Yes to both.
> >>You must sponsor her.
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> that
> are related to the I-864.

If you yourself don't meet the minimum income requirement to sponser her
alone, then you can have a co-sponsor (anyone who is a USC), or get an
extra job to boost your income.

Best Wishes,
Rene
Pierre Abbat - 24 Oct 2004 23:04 GMT
>> So what happens if we get married and before the six months her company
>> fires her, sends her home, or whatever? My earnings aren't enough to meet
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>
> OIC, you are just asking for the fun of it.

I'm not asking for the fun of it. I'm asking because I'm considering looking
for my wife among foreigners who are in the USA. I haven't found her yet,
but I'd like to find out what's involved.

> What do you mean "whatever"?  If she has the job at the time of the
> interview, then there is no problem if she loses it afterward. It's not
> like they are going to constantly monitor your income. You are the
> sponsor. This means YOU are responsible for whatever expenses occur that
> are related to the I-864.

Not what I asked. The interview cannot happen until at least six months
after we get married, so if we get married and she loses her job between
the marriage and the interview, where does that leave us?

phma
anon - 25 Oct 2004 05:44 GMT
> Not what I asked. The interview cannot happen until at least six months
> after we get married, so if we get married and she loses her job between
> the

Why does it have to not happen until 6 months?
It happens when they schedule it.

The answer is simple. If there is no enough income to qualify, then get
someone to act a a co sponsor.

 Maybe you should start looking for a job that will pay enough money so
you won't need to worry about her income.
The required income for 2004 was just over $150000 per year.  If she
loses her job, are you living in a place where your potential spouse
would be unable to find a job paying minimum wage? The two of you,
earning minimum wage, should be able to make the income requirement easily.
MightBe - 25 Oct 2004 06:11 GMT
> > Not what I asked. The interview cannot happen until at least six
> > months
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>   earning minimum wage, should be able to make the income requirement
>   easily.

The required income for 2004 is  $15,612 for two people. Ithink Anon got
an extra 0 in there.
Why the concern about her income. It will be your wife .
Be a man about it.
ian-mstm - 25 Oct 2004 14:10 GMT
> >> So what happens if we get married and before the six months her
> >> company
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Do you have a printout of the "foreigners who are in the USA"? You don't
seem to make a distinction between legal foreigners and illegal
foreigners - does it matter to you? What if you make a mistake and fall
in love with someone who isn't a foreigner? What then? Do you have a
contingency plan for this scenario? It seems to me you haven't thought
this through very well. Oh, wait... if you "find out what's involved"
will those answers help you determine which specific foreigner you want
to hook up with?

Ian
meauxna - 25 Oct 2004 18:40 GMT
> >> So what happens if we get married and before the six months her
> >> company
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Pierre Abbat says:
Not what I asked. The interview cannot happen until at least six months
after we get married, so if we get married and she loses her job between
the marriage and the interview, where does that leave us?
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OK, you're saying 'it must be 6 months after marriage because if it is
before, her income won't count and I don't make enough'.

Where does that leave you? Hungry, for starters. Or out looking for a
second job. How ya gettin' by now on less than 16K a year?
If she loses her job would you not want her anymore? Or are you afraid
she'd be taken away from you?
Noorah101 - 25 Oct 2004 18:59 GMT
> Pierre Abbat says:
> Not what I asked. The interview cannot happen until at least six
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> If she loses her job would you not want her anymore? Or are you afraid
> she'd be taken away from you?

Hmmm...Pierre already has issues with the USCIS in that he is expecting
to be able to plan when his interview will be (which he can't do), and
he hasn't even started looking for Ms. Right?  It's good that he's doing
his research ahead of time, no doubt, but it could be years before he
finds Ms. Right and by then immigration rules could even change.

Pierre, if your interview is less than 6 months from the time you
started living together, and you don't make the required amount of money
on your own, you will have to either find a co-sponsor or find a second
job to make the appropriate income. If your interview is more than 6
months after, and your wife loses her job before the interview, and you
still don't make the requirement amount of money, you will have to
either find a co-sponsor or find a second job to make the appropriate
income.  This is what people keep telling you.  Listen to us.  :)

Rene
anon - 25 Oct 2004 19:41 GMT
> Hmmm...Pierre already has issues with the USCIS in that he is expecting
> to be able to plan when his interview will be (which he can't do), and
> he hasn't even started looking for Ms. Right?

Pierre likes to think of problems that might come up way down the rode
For instance, what would happen if the kid, that he might have someday),
 need to learn sign language?
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