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Renewing I765 and I131

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Kirstysutton - 27 Jan 2005 03:16 GMT
I'm trying to renew I765 and I131 as I await adjustment of status to
permanent resident (I485).

Can anyone help with these questions:

1. Can I RENEW I131 or do I have to just submit a new application?
2. Can I RENEW I765 or is a new application the only way?
3. I have (stupidly) let both of these docs (i.e. travel permission and
  work authorization) expire--does this send some kind or red flag and
  cause a delay?

and finally:

4. What's the difference between Advance Parole (I love that phrase!)
  and re-entry permit?

THANKS
Rete - 27 Jan 2005 03:28 GMT
> I'm trying to renew I765 and I131 as I await adjustment of status to
> permanent resident (I485).
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>
> THANKS

Renew by sending in new applications.  Check where and how you are to
file.  If your district is part of the Phase I then it goes to the
Chicago lockbox address.  You can find this information on the USCIS
website.  Or you can file it electronically.  Also on the USCIS website.

A/P for pending AOS and re-enter for Permanent Resident.

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Kirstysutton - 27 Jan 2005 03:35 GMT
> Renew by sending in new applications.  Check where and how you are to
> file.  If your district is part of the Phase I then it goes to the
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> A/P for pending AOS and re-entry permit for Permanent Resident who
>   will be outside of the US for more than a year up to two years.

Thanks a lot!
Jonathan McNeil Wong - 27 Jan 2005 04:56 GMT
>>I'm trying to renew I765 and I131 as I await adjustment of status to
>>permanent resident (I485).
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>
> A/P for pending AOS and re-enter for Permanent Resident.

As Rete has noted, you need to submit a new application for the renewal.

Not an issue that the previous has expired; each application is
evaluated on its own merits.  That you previously had an EAD or A/P
doesn't automatically entitle you to renewal; you still have to meet the
regulatory requirements.

It's actually "advance authorization of parole."  Works like this.

Parole = physical admission at the border with the understanding that
the person has not been "admitted' under the law.  Legally, the person
is outside of the U.S.; physically, inside.  This has consequences in
terms of the government's burden of proof in removal proceedings.

Parole may be applied for at the border.  It's what might happen, for
example, if you were ineligible for admission but needed emergency
medical attention, or if there were other humanitarian concerns.  This
is the typical way someone would be paroled into the U.S.

In the case of a pending adjustment applicant, you can ask for sort of
an advisory opinion which says, if you leave the U.S. and come back, you
will be paroled into the U.S. if you apply, assuming you haven't done
anything in the meantime to disqualify yourself.  This is the "advance"
part.  The agency is authorizing your parole into the U.S. in advance of
when you actually apply for it.  (In this case, the application is just
showing up at the border and asking to be let in.)

Note, because someone who enters with advance parole authorization is a
parolee, that person is physically in the U.S. but legally outside, just
as if the parole had been applied for first at the border.  For most
pending adjustment applicants, this is just a technical difference
because the risk of being placed in removal proceedings is small.  But,
in any individual case, if there is a risk of being placed in removal
proceedings, the person may not wish to apply for parole and give up the
additional rights that he or she may have as an admitted alien (assuming
he or she was inspected upon admission).

Bottom line, if your case is simple and clearly approvable, advance
parole is nothing to worry about; if there are any irregularities,
consult a lawyer before traveling on advance parole.

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Kirstysutton - 30 Jan 2005 19:42 GMT
> >>I'm trying to renew I765 and I131 as I await adjustment of status to
> >>permanent resident (I485).
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>      jonathan@donahue.com
> ===============================================================

Thanks for the help.

Just one more question, for now:

I'm struggling to figure out how to answer two questions on the
I765 form.

If I have a I485 pending based on marriage to a US Citizen last entered
the country on Advance Parole based on AOS.

So, to answer the question, "what was the manner of last entry", do I
check "Parolee" or K3 (married to USC) or something else? I don't see K
used anywhere on the docs supplied by the lawyer who handled the
applications.

And how to answer the question "Current Immigration Status"? Is that K3?

THANKS
Folinskyinla - 30 Jan 2005 20:44 GMT
> Thanks for the help.
>
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>
> THANKS

Hi:

Just to be pedantic -- a "parole" is not an "entry," it is a "parole."
So, with that in mind, its easy to figure out.  However, even if you put
in "parole" -- it is a "no harm, no foul" situation.  [RIP, Chick.  It
hasn't been the same since you left us].

"The trouble is all inside your head she said to me.  The answer is easy
if you take it logically.  I'd like to help you in your struggle to be
free."  Paul Simon

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Kirstysutton - 30 Jan 2005 20:56 GMT
> Hi:
>
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> easy if you take it logically.  I'd like to help you in your struggle
> to be free."  Paul Simon

THANKS.

Here's what I'm still not quite following:

a) if being a "parolee" is not a method of entry, why would it be listed
  as a method of entry? Not that the people creating codes for USCIS
  are necessarily logicians, but surely it has to be an acceptable
  method of entry or it would not be listed?

b) if you had to make a partially educated guess as to my manner of last
  entry given that I had an L1 visa, got married, applied for I485,
  I765 and I131, and entered last using the I131 approval showing that
  I entered on AP with "purpose" listed as AOS, what you you say the
  manner of last entry was? I'm guessing, so your more knowledgable
  guess can only help.

c) same question for my current immigration status. I think that I am
  awaiting AOS to PR based on having filed I485. But that's not an
  option. What do you think?

I'd love to get these forms just right as paying the fees twice or
having the forms enter some kind of bureaucratic no-mans-land marked
"stupid applicant not worthy of US residency" are not very palatable.

THANKS A LOT
Folinskyinla - 31 Jan 2005 16:06 GMT
> THANKS.
>
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>
> THANKS A LOT

Hi:

To repeat, "no harm, no foul."  Lot of the CIS forms are like this --
they will use "terms of art" when they mean it in an everday sense.
The term "child" is very tightly defined in the Immigration &
Nationality Act and the I-130 form and the instructions mess this up
quite badly.  Without going into details, if you were to ask me "How
many children do you have?" I could answer either "two" or "none" and
both would be correct.

The term "entry" is long defined "term of art" in the Immigration Laws.
To exacerbate problems, the 1996 amendments removed the defintion and
replaced it with the term "admission" while still using the term "entry"
in other parts of the Act.  It DOES get confusing at times.

As I said, "no harm, no foul" -- don't lose sleep over that one.

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Jonathan McNeil Wong - 31 Jan 2005 05:57 GMT
> <Snip>
>
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> if you take it logically.  I'd like to help you in your struggle to be
> free."  Paul Simon

Right you are; it is not an entry for immigration purposes, which
explains why it made such a difference when Jimmy Carter declared all of
those Haitians "entrants."

But, it is an entry in the physical sense, as opposed to in the legal sense.
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P.O. Box 12979                          http://www.donahue.com
Oakland, CA  94604-2979         E-mail: jonathan@donahue.com
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ian-mstm - 31 Jan 2005 13:46 GMT
> Hi:
>
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> easy if you take it logically.  I'd like to help you in your struggle
> to be free."  Paul Simon

This sounds a bit... well... like Douglas Adams to me - I mean, that's
how Arthur Dent can have tea and not-tea at the same time! :) Y'know,
the more I think about it, USCIS is like the Hitchhiker's Guide in
many ways!

Ian
Folinskyinla - 31 Jan 2005 16:09 GMT
> This sounds a bit... well... like Douglas Adams to me - I mean, that's
> how Arthur Dent can have tea and not-tea at the same time! :) Y'know,
> the more I think about it, USCIS is like the Hitchhiker's Guide in
> many ways!
>
> Ian

Hey Ian:

I am in TOTAL agreement.  I really enjoyed the five books of the
"Hitchhiker's" Trilogy

I sometimes wonder if Doug Adams ever worked as a legislative drafter
for some Congressman back in the 50's.

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Folinskyinla - 31 Jan 2005 16:12 GMT
> Renew by sending in new applications.  Check where and how you are to
> file.  If your district is part of the Phase I then it goes to the
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> A/P for pending AOS and re-entry permit for Permanent Resident who
>   will be outside of the US for more than a year up to two years.

Hey Rete:

BTW, the I-551 alien card is a "rentry permit" for absenses of less than
a year.  That definition is in the passport.  However, the term is most
commonly used for the book form applied for by use of the I-131.  As
discussed elsewhere, many people call that little turquoise book the
"White Passport."

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