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What is difference between certificate of citzenship and C O Naturalization?

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khabibiuf - 28 Feb 2005 15:55 GMT
Hi All,

My parents immigrated to this country in the late 70's and applied for
citizenship when I was about 10 years old (1988).  My parents have a
"certificate of naturalization" for themselves and I have a "certificate
of citizenship"?  Both I and my parents were born overseas.

What is the difference between these 2 documents?  Did I get the
certificate of citizenship because I was a minor?  I noticed that my
father signed for me on the certificate because I guess I was too young.

Thanks,

- khabibiuf
Rete - 28 Feb 2005 16:01 GMT
> Hi All,
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> - khabibiuf

I know that in today's CIS world that when parent(s) naturalize their
children who are living with them in the US also become US Citizens as
long as they are minors.  As proof of this naturalization, a N-600 is
filed for the actual paperwork.  Although it is not required for the
children of obtain a US passport attesting to their naturalization.
Perhaps that is one of the reasons why your DAO wanted the CON from you?

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khabibiuf - 28 Feb 2005 16:06 GMT
> I know that in today's CIS world that when parent(s) naturalize their
> children who are living with them in the US also become US Citizens
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> naturalization.  Perhaps that is one of the reasons why your DAO
> wanted the CON from you?

I'm confused about your statement of the US passport.  can u
elaborate on this?
Rete - 28 Feb 2005 16:20 GMT
> I'm confused about your statement of the US passport.  can u elaborate
> on this?

Confused?  Why?

When your parent(s) naturalizes they take you, your documentation
and their naturalization certificates to the US Passport Office and
apply for your US Passport.  They don't need a CON in your name to
get the passport as you had become a US Citizen along with
them/him/her and their naturalization certificates are sufficient to
get you a US Passport.

However, as you are experiencing, the US Passport alone appears not to
be sufficient for the DAO at your wife's AOS interview.  She wanted hard
proof in the form of your CON.

The CON can be obtained by the naturalized parent(s) by filing form[s]
N-600 for the child[ren].

This is the here and now and I don't know what the procedure was at the
time your parents naturalized.

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khabibiuf - 28 Feb 2005 18:39 GMT
> Confused?  Why?
>
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> This is the here and now and I don't know what the procedure was at
> the time your parents naturalized.

Ok... I understand now.  I'm pretty sure this is how it was done back
when my parents did it as well.

Thanks for the info.
Folinskyinla - 28 Feb 2005 18:57 GMT
> Confused?  Why?
>
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> This is the here and now and I don't know what the procedure was at
> the time your parents naturalized.

Hi Rete:

Back in the 80's there was supplemental form that could be filed with
the N-400 for issuance of a certificate of citizenship for children who
would obtain derivative naturalization.

Another thing on the why the "certificate of citizenship" -- before
1991, naturalization was a JUDICIAL act naturalizing an individual.  The
children were not direct parties to the court judgement, but obtain
citizenship by "operation of law" due to the court judgement.  Since the
former INS did not naturalize anybody, they issued the "Certificate of
Citizenship" to document the obtaining of citizenship other than by
direct judgement of naturalization.

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bionomique - 28 Feb 2005 17:40 GMT
> Hi All,
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> - khabibiuf

Maybe this is because children under 18 years of age with at least one
parent who is a U.S. citizen whether by birth or naturalization, will
automatically acquire U.S. citizenship?
Folinskyinla - 28 Feb 2005 18:52 GMT
> Hi All,
>
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>
> - khabibiuf

Hi:

You had derivative naturalization and did not naturalize on your own.
In fact, I'm looking at my "wallpaper" in my office, which includes the
Naturalization Certificates of my grandparents and the "Certificate of
Citizenship" for my mother.  It matches the dates of her parents
naturalization.

A part of our family history is that Mom had to register as an "enemy
alien" during World War II and she naturalized in 1943 just before she
married Dad.  However, when Dad gave me her certificate after she died,
I noted that she had the "Certificate of Citizenship" from July 23, 1943
stating she had been a citizen since April 12, 1940 when she was 17
years of age. In other words, Mom had never been an "enemy alien."

This is not the only inaccuracy in my family's immigration history.  My
other grandmother's application for naturalization in 1944 states that
she had "three sons in the United States Army."  Well, I have a portrait
of Dad and his brothers in uniform and only one is an Army Uniform with
the other two in Navy uniforms.

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