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waiver & exclution question

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clayton_dylan@hotmail.com - 24 Mar 2006 20:39 GMT
I have a question regarding grounds for exclusion.

I am Canadian, and have a record for minor possession of marijuana
(I have to use the I-192 waiver to enter the US).

If I marry a US citizen will this make it impossible to obtain
permanent residency?

Thanks in advance.
ian-mstm - 24 Mar 2006 23:33 GMT
> I have a question regarding grounds for exclusion.
>
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>
> Thanks in advance.

No.

Ian
fatbrit - 24 Mar 2006 23:34 GMT
> No.
>
> Ian

Yes,

David
Manc - 24 Mar 2006 23:40 GMT
> I was wrong -- I need to learn to read the question!

Don't Know,

Matt.
Elvira - 24 Mar 2006 23:42 GMT
> Don't Know,
>
> Matt.

Would like to know.

Elvira

:)
Folinskyinla - 27 Mar 2006 02:27 GMT
> I have a question regarding grounds for exclusion.
>
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> Thanks in advance.

Hi:

The marriage will not make it impossible, but, assuming you charactarize
your conviction correctly, that will.

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clayton_dylan@hotmail.com - 27 Mar 2006 04:33 GMT
> The marriage will not make it impossible, but, assuming you charactarize
> your conviction correctly, that will.

My conviction will make it impossible? What about waivers, appeals?
ian-mstm - 27 Mar 2006 14:03 GMT
> > The marriage will not make it impossible, but, assuming you
> > charactarize
> > your conviction correctly, that will.
>
> My conviction will make it impossible? What about waivers, appeals?

You should read more carefully. Mr. F.'s comment is a cautionary tale...
how you phrase the "conviction" on the application will determine
whether or not you can become a PR.

Ian
fatbrit - 27 Mar 2006 14:35 GMT
> You should read more carefully. Mr. F.'s comment is a cautionary
> tale... how you phrase the "conviction" on the application will
> determine whether or not you can become a PR.
>
> Ian

Out of practice on my Grauniad crossword stuck in this wilderness,
I'm afraid.
clayton_dylan@hotmail.com - 27 Mar 2006 15:49 GMT
> > You should read more carefully. Mr. F.'s comment is a cautionary
> > tale... how you phrase the "conviction" on the application will
> > determine whether or not you can become a PR.
> >
> > Ian

I was under the impression that the waiver was for a criminal
offence which was tried in the courts. Not just an admission of
being in the presence of marijuana at one time.

Doesn't the waiver cover "conviction" of posession for under 30 grams
of marijuana?
fatbrit - 27 Mar 2006 16:07 GMT
> > > You should read more carefully. Mr. F.'s comment is a cautionary
> > > tale... how you phrase the "conviction" on the application will
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> Doesn't the waiver cover "conviction" of posession for under 30 grams
> of marijuana?

Well I thought it did, but Mr. F is the one who *should* know.
Unfortunately, he delights in speaking in tongues, so you often need to
read between the lines.
Folinskyinla - 27 Mar 2006 16:32 GMT
> Well I thought it did, but Mr. F is the one who *should* know.
> Unfortunately, he delights in speaking in tongues, so you often need
> to read between the lines.

Hi:

I was speaking in "immigration" and I understand that may seem like
tongues at times.  Section 212(a) of the Immigration & Nationality Act
covers grounds of inadmissability while 237(a) are the grounds of
"deportability."  For whatever reason, they are NOT congruent.

When it comes to drugs -- there is a waiver for simple possession of
less than 30 grams of marijuana -- but that applies on the "deportation"
end -- e.g. convictions AFTER admission.  [BTW, one of the grounds of
deportation is that alien was inadmissible at time of admission].

On the inadmissiblity grounds, a "conviction" or "admission" of a drug
related crime is a ground of exclusion.  When it comes to trafficking,
"reason to believe" will do the trick, even absent a convction [e.g. a
"Narco-trafficer" who has cops and judges on his payroll so to avoid
convictions will be barred].

When it comes to these type of cases, the bar becomes "loophole"
searchers.

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snowbunny - 27 Mar 2006 16:35 GMT
> Hi:
>
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> When it comes to these type of cases, the bar becomes "loophole"
> searchers.

Okay to be blunt:

should the OP retain an attorney, or not waste his time?
Folinskyinla - 27 Mar 2006 16:47 GMT
> Okay to be blunt:
>
> should the OP retain an attorney, or not waste his time?

Hi:

He may want to retain an attorney to review the records. This is one of
those cases where he will either be just fine and totally SOL  [or there
may be fight to demonstrate he is on the "fine" side of the line and not
the SOL side].  If he is firmly ensconsed on the SOL side, then he may
just want to forget about it.

BTW, an old case of a person in a similar situation and what a lawyer
can sometimes do:

http://www.cardozo.yu.edu/life/spring1998/john.lennon/

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fatbrit - 27 Mar 2006 16:48 GMT
> Hi:
>
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
> When it comes to these type of cases, the bar becomes "loophole"
> searchers.

Thx for the clarification -- it's making a little more sense to me now.

On the loopholes, I guess what the OP might like to know is whether it
would be a worthwhile bet to engage an attorney to try to sort this out
for him, or whether he would be better off spending his dosh on making a
life for himself and his beloved outside the land o' the free and home
of the brave?
Elvira - 27 Mar 2006 15:33 GMT
> You should read more carefully. Mr. F.'s comment is a cautionary
> tale... how you phrase the "conviction" on the application will
> determine whether or not you can become a PR.
>
> Ian

I am reading this as "don't do anything without getting advice from a
competent immigration attorney first"...
meauxna - 27 Mar 2006 04:46 GMT
> Hi:
>
> The marriage will not make it impossible, but, assuming you
> charactarize your conviction correctly, that will.

There's no waiver available for possession (no intent to distribute)?
Wow. Harsh beans.
fatbrit - 27 Mar 2006 05:44 GMT
> There's no waiver available for possession (no intent to distribute)?
> Wow. Harsh beans.

Always thought there was a waiver possible for one charge of
possession < 30g.
Folinskyinla - 27 Mar 2006 15:38 GMT
> There's no waiver available for possession (no intent to distribute)?
> Wow. Harsh beans.

Hi:

No waiver on the inadmissability end of things.  However, there is a
waiver on the "deportable" end of things for minor possession charges.

On the inadmissiblity end of things -- there IS a difference between
simple possession and distribution/sales -- the former needs a
'conviction' while distribtuion/sales needs only 'reason to believe.'

You seem to be imposing your own value system which differs from
Congress -- robbing a grocery store can be forgiven, but marijuana
possession cannot.

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MH - 31 Mar 2006 02:10 GMT
>> I have a question regarding grounds for exclusion.
>>
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>
>The marriage will not make it impossible,

LOL :-)

MH
 
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