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Tourist to F1 to LPR?

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Clarino - 31 Mar 2006 16:12 GMT
Hi everyone,

A few weeks ago I received a boatload of help from some very generous
people when I posted some questions about the greencard process. We've
since mailed our I-130 and accompanying documentation and are awaiting
the stream of correspondence with the NVC, followed by my interview and
medical in London.

Another element has just now entered the equation - I've been offered a
place at Boston University, with the F1 that entails. We'll be flying
over from the UK to the US together on 11th May to set up our new home.
I had then planned to fly back once my three months' tourist visa
(waiver) are up (10th August or thereabouts) but the F1 could kick in by
1st September.

Here's my question: Can I Adjust Status from tourist to student while
in the US?

This would avoid me having to come back to the UK needlessly early while
I await my London interview. I could AOS, stay in the US as long as I
needed, and return to London whenever I am called.

I'm not quite ready to get into the complex answer to the question,
"what happens if you get called for interview in London after the
semester has started and you're expected to be in class?" That's for
figuring out a little later!!

Also note that I don't have to become a student this year. I could get
my Green Card and work, applying again next year. But I've been
accepted, and it feels like too good a chance to turn away.

Thanks in advance for your thoughts.

Yours,

Graham Dixon
Eric S. - 31 Mar 2006 17:18 GMT
You should probably post your question in alt.visa.us.  This forum is
dedicated to marriage-based immigration.  K-1, K-3, etc.

- Eric S.

> Hi everyone,
>
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>
> Graham Dixon
Frank - 31 Mar 2006 19:40 GMT
[snip]

> You should probably post your question in alt.visa.us.  This forum is
> dedicated to marriage-based immigration.  K-1, K-3, etc.

or I-130 from the 3rd line of his post

-F

> - Eric S.
Jenney & Mark - 31 Mar 2006 17:48 GMT
> Hi everyone,
>
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>
> Graham Dixon

It is obvious from your post here as well as other posts you've made
elsewhere on this newsgroup that you are intent trying to find a way to
immigrate from the VWP/tourist visa. Unfortunately it is illegal to
enter the US on the VWP/tourist visa with intent to stay and adjust
status (= immigrate).

I personally have no idea whether you can enter the US on the
VWP/tourist visa and then switch to the F1 visa, but in this case that's
really irrelevant anyway. Your primary goal here is to immigrate, not to
study. (You yourself even said so!) So, in my book, that's a no-no.

But, see, you HAVE to be prepared for those sorts of possibilities
BEFORE you jump into anything. When immigrating you have to think
long-term.

For instance, I find it curious that you would prefer to try to adjust
from a status which would make you eligible for naturalization after
five years rather than only three years. Ok, you may not actually PREFER
that, but the path you're asking about taking would mean just that. You
essentially want to shave a few months off the time you have to be
separated from your wife, rather than shave at least two YEARS off the
time it would take before you're eligible to become a US citizen -- and
thus rid yourself from a lifetime of immigration hassle afterwards.

Failing to think ahead long-term is only setting yourself up for
potential problems and a lack of understanding of how to tackle them
should they happen.

I thought those here on the F1 student visa HAVE to be... you
know... students?

Oh, wait... I forgot that you are thinking of trying to enter the US on
an F1 visa and then ditching it to apply for a green card. Or is it that
you're looking to enter the US on the VWP/tourist visa, switch to the F1
visa and THEN apply for a green card? Either way you're looking at 10-
Foot Pole City and I don't recommend it.

~ Jenney
Clarino - 31 Mar 2006 18:50 GMT
> It is obvious from your post here as well as other posts you've made
> elsewhere on this newsgroup that you are intent trying to find a way
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>
> ~ Jenney

My intention is, and always has been, to gain Green Card status legally
and through all normal channels. I was married last Sunday with exactly
this intent in mind - I also happen to be totally crazy about my lady,
so it was a great way to do things.

Being a student is not simply a method of entering the US. I've been a
musician for about 23 years and that is my chosen field - I'm not just
using it in order to enter the country. Besides, the massive rigmarole
of a raft of postgraduate applications hardly makes it a straightforward
way to enter the country.

I could think long-term if I could read the minds of the admissions
panels, or know where my job would be in a few months. But I can't,
and don't.

When did I say I want to become an American? I'm British and I
rather like it.

Nope.

Graham
CarlM - 31 Mar 2006 18:12 GMT
> Hi everyone,
>
[quoted text clipped - 32 lines]
>
> Graham Dixon

An adjustment is non-immigrant to immigrant, you are referring to a
change of status. And no, based on your plans you are not eligible to
enter on VWP anyway.
Bob - 31 Mar 2006 18:59 GMT
> An adjustment is non-immigrant to immigrant, you are referring to a
> change of status. And no, based on your plans you are not eligible to
> enter on VWP anyway.

I know he couldn't adjust to F1 via VWP, but what if he got a B2 visa?
Not easy to get one of those for a Brit I know, and normally be
something if you were going to look for places rather than having a
place at uni...but just curious...
CarlM - 31 Mar 2006 19:26 GMT
> I know he couldn't adjust to F1 via VWP, but what if he got a B2 visa?
> Not easy to get one of those for a Brit I know, and normally be
> something if you were going to look for places rather than having a
> place at uni...but just curious...

Hmmm.. that might actually work..! I had a Venezuelan student manage it
- and the US Govt generally hates Venezuelans..!
Elvira - 31 Mar 2006 19:48 GMT
> I know he couldn't adjust to F1 via VWP, but what if he got a B2 visa?
> Not easy to get one of those for a Brit I know, and normally be
> something if you were going to look for places rather than having a
> place at uni...but just curious...

Or what about switching from VWP to F1 in Canada? We switched from VWP
to H1b/H4 in Vancouver - only took a day.
andrea874 - 31 Mar 2006 20:18 GMT
> Or what about switching from VWP to F1 in Canada? We switched from VWP
> to H1b/H4 in Vancouver - only took a day.

Can someone come in on an F1 with the intention of AOS and be fine
though? I thought you could only do that with H1, but I could be totally
wrong... anyone know?
Bob - 31 Mar 2006 20:25 GMT
> Can someone come in on an F1 with the intention of AOS and be fine
> though? I thought you could only do that with H1, but I could be
> totally wrong... anyone know?

L1 is also dual intent...don't think F1 is though.
CarlM - 31 Mar 2006 20:32 GMT
> Can someone come in on an F1 with the intention of AOS and be fine
> though? I thought you could only do that with H1, but I could be
> totally wrong... anyone know?

Nope - F-1 specifically asks if a spouse or fiance/e is a USC, and is
not a dual intent.
Folinskyinla - 31 Mar 2006 18:25 GMT
> Hi everyone,
>
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>
> Graham Dixon

Hi Graham:

You are drafting some interesting examination questions for the
California or Texas State Bar Immigration Specialization Applications.

The path you suggest probably won't work and can cause screw-ups you
can't imagince.  Given the length of time you have, there might be other
ways that would work better, if they work at all.

Given the fact that your plans now involve one of Massachussets' leading
industries, you might consider some light political intervention.  Just
a thought.

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