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samir1010 - 19 May 2006 00:06 GMT
Hello,

We just applied for AOS for my wife and for some reason didnt think
about applying for Advance Parole.  We have our interveiw in 3 weeks for
AOS.  My wife just got on a plane to visit her friends in Canada and I
just had a feeling that we missed something.  Now I realize what we
missed "ADVANCE PAROLE".  So I guess my question is does anyone know if
my wife will be able to come back to the US?  If she is able to get back
in are we definitely going to get denied since she did leave the country
without Advance Parole?  Does anyone know what are our options.  Thanks
again.  I am stressed out as hell.  Please help.
snowbunny - 19 May 2006 00:10 GMT
> Hello,
>
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> leave the country without Advance Parole?  Does anyone know what are
> our options.  Thanks again.  I am stressed out as hell.  Please help.

What visa did she hold before she left for Canada?

What citizenship(s) does she hold?
samir1010 - 19 May 2006 00:16 GMT
> What visa did she hold before she left for Canada?
>
> What citizenship(s) does she hold?

She first entered on a I-129F, then we filed for an I-130.  We were
married in England where she was born and holds a citizenship.
Noorah101 - 19 May 2006 00:19 GMT
> She first entered on a I-129F, then we filed for an I-130.  We were
> married in England where she was born and holds a citizenship.

ummm...there is no I-129F visa.  Do you mean a K-3?  Then you filed
an I-130?  That doesn't make sense.  The I-130 had to be filed before
the I-129F.

Anyway, basically, if she still has a K-3 visa in her passport, and she
has been in the USA less than 2 years, she didn't need AP to travel.

Is that the scenario?
Rene
samir1010 - 19 May 2006 00:34 GMT
> ummm...there is no I-129F visa.  Do you mean a K-3?  Then you filed
> an I-130?  That doesn't make sense.  The I-130 had to be filed before
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> Is that the scenario?
> Rene

Yeah, youre right we filed for the I-130 first and then she came in on
the K3 which is the I-129F but she has been here a little longer than 2
years and we have already filed for AOS.  Since we have filed for AOS
and her K3 has expired I think we're screwed.  Any advice?  Thank you
Noorah101 - 19 May 2006 00:37 GMT
> Yeah, youre right we filed for the I-130 first and then she came in
> on the K3 which is the I-129F but she has been here a little longer
> than 2 years and we have already filed for AOS.  Since we have filed
> for AOS and her K3 has expired I think we're screwed.  Any advice?
> Thank you

Technically, the K3 is not the I-129F....the I-129F in conjunction with
filing the I-130 is what produces a K3.

But anyway...filing AOS is OK, that doesn't affect her K3 validity.  But
the K3 is only good for 2 years worth of multiple entries to the USA.
If her K3 is expired, then she will most likely have problems coming
back in, yes.

I don't know how lenient the POE officers are allowed to be.  I suppose
you can send her a copy of the appointment notice for the AOS interview,
so she can show it to them, and hope for the best....but in reality, she
has no valid visa for entering the USA right now.  :(

Rene
Noorah101 - 19 May 2006 00:10 GMT
> Hello,
>
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> leave the country without Advance Parole?  Does anyone know what are
> our options.  Thanks again.  I am stressed out as hell.  Please help.

What visa did she enter the USA on, and when?

Rene
MH - 19 May 2006 01:21 GMT
>Hello,
>
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>without Advance Parole?  Does anyone know what are our options.  Thanks
>again.  I am stressed out as hell.  Please help.

If she most recently entered on a K1, contact an IMMIGRATION lawyer ASAP.

MH
Folinskyinla - 19 May 2006 10:06 GMT
> Hello,
>
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> leave the country without Advance Parole?  Does anyone know what are
> our options.  Thanks again.  I am stressed out as hell.  Please help.

Hi:

I have read this string and you are right to say "oops."  All may not be
lost yet.  The PFI people MAY [not the 'may'] parole her in for deferred
inspection -- and then you will have to file a NEW, I-485.  I've seen it
happen when I've had clients see me after the fact.

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Kat - 29 May 2006 21:51 GMT
Just wandering if there is any update on this case ......
samir1010 - 29 May 2006 22:49 GMT
> Just wandering if there is any update on this case ......

Good news, My wife was able to cross back into the United States and I
found a rule that will allow her to still get approved at our interview
even though she left the United States without Advance Parole.

When the immigration officer asked her about why she had left the US
without advance parole all she did was pull out a copy of the rule that
states that even though she filed for AOS that she can still return
without abandoning her AOS application.  He checked his information and
wished her good luck on her interview.

This rule is called the Interim Rule.

Just wanted to say thanks to everyone who helped.   Hope this
information helps someone out.
Noorah101 - 29 May 2006 22:58 GMT
> Good news, My wife was able to cross back into the United States
> and I found a rule that will allow her to still get approved at
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> Just wanted to say thanks to everyone who helped.   Hope this
> information helps someone out.

I did a search on "Interim Rule" http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=ISO-8859-
1&q=%22interim+rule%22 and didn't look to me like any of these links
were immigration related.  Do you have a link to the page she printed
and showed the officer?

Thanks,
Rene
Elenfair - 29 May 2006 23:30 GMT
> I did a search on "Interim Rule" http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=ISO-8859-
> 1&q=%22interim+rule%22 and didn't look to me like any of these links
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> Thanks,
> Rene

The problem is that "interim rule" actually appears a-plenty in
immigration related documents - one for health care workers, one that
deals with I-9...  it's like saying the loophole is called "admission
rules", ya know?

Hopefully samir can come back and give us specific details.

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Now married and living in MN... waiting for AOS.

Noorah101 - 30 May 2006 01:11 GMT
> The problem is that "interim rule" actually appears a-plenty in
> immigration related documents - one for health care workers, one that
> deals with I-9...  it's like saying the loophole is called "admission
> rules", ya know?
>
> Hopefully samir can come back and give us specific details.

Yes, I'm curious to see where it's written that a person whose K-3 visa
has already expired, but is still pending adjustment, is OK to travel
without AP.

Hopefully Samir will post it.

Rene
Kat - 30 May 2006 00:35 GMT
Must be nice that some people can leave an come back in when some have
been here for years without leaving in fear that they will be
denied....i too would like to see the rule so i could possible go home
to see my family an have the know that i can come back without any
problems....i was advised even with applying for the ap there is no
guarantee that they will allow u back in the country
hcj1440 - 30 May 2006 00:56 GMT
> Must be nice that some people can leave an come back in when some have
> been here for years without leaving in fear that they will be
> denied....i too would like to see the rule so i could possible go home
> to see my family an have the know that i can come back without any
> problems....i was advised even with applying for the ap there is no
> guarantee that they will allow u back in the country

If you have overstayed you should not leave the US until you get your
GC, with or without AP.

Otherwise, if everything is in order and there's no reason why you
should be inadmissible, IMHO there is no need to confine yourself to the
US for fear that you would not be let back in.  Get your AP and live
your life, I say.
janadeen - 30 May 2006 02:01 GMT
> Must be nice that some people can leave an come back in when some have
> been here for years without leaving in fear that they will be
> denied....i too would like to see the rule so i could possible go home
> to see my family an have the know that i can come back without any
> problems....i was advised even with applying for the ap there is no
> guarantee that they will allow u back in the country

Why can't you go home?
Noorah101 - 30 May 2006 02:28 GMT
> Why can't you go home?

Hi janadeen,

Here's a link to Kat's post about traveling:
http://britishexpats.com/forum/showthread.php?t=371820&highlight=Kat

She's awaiting security checks after her AOS interview, and doesn't
currently have AP.

Kat, unless you have overstayed at some point, you can still apply for
AP and travel with it.  It takes about 2 or 3 months to get.

Best Wishes,
Rene
janadeen - 30 May 2006 03:08 GMT
> Hi janadeen,
>
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> Best Wishes,
> Rene

Thanks - no worries.

Seems this person needs to do more homework.
Kat - 30 May 2006 05:01 GMT
Yeah well I overstayed so I am stuck in limbo till i get my background
checks back which hopefully will be sooner then later but dealing with
USCIS is such fun...NOT...lol...i have waited 10 1/2yrs to see my
family an friends whats a little bit longer.  In the meantime i just
get frustrated an upset but not to worry
janadeen - 30 May 2006 05:51 GMT
> Yeah well I overstayed so I am stuck in limbo till i get my background
> checks back which hopefully will be sooner then later but dealing with
> USCIS is such fun...NOT...lol...i have waited 10 1/2yrs to see my
> family an friends whats a little bit longer.  In the meantime i just
> get frustrated an upset but not to worry

I hear you Kat!  There's almost nothing more mind numbing than dealing
with the USCIS.  I'd almost rather perform stomach surgery on myself (-:

I was just curious from your earlier post why you couldn't go home.
The way you wrote it - or I read it - was as if the USCIS was
preventing you from / or was the cause of, your not being able to go
home to visit your family.
Kat - 30 May 2006 17:01 GMT
thanks...part of it is my fault an the other is a controlling exhusband
that refused to let me get my gc in fear i would go home an never come
back...well now he has to deal with me being able to move on an have a
way better life :) WITHOUT HIM....except we do have a child together so
we will always have some kind of contact with each other...i will
eventually go home but will not leave till i get the ok i play all my
safe bets so my new husband an kids will always have me around :)
Folinskyinla - 30 May 2006 03:08 GMT
> I did a search on "Interim Rule" http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=ISO-8859-
> 1&q=%22interim+rule%22 and didn't look to me like any of these links
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> Thanks,
> Rene

Hi:

"Interim Rule" is an exception to the normal "rule making" process in
issuance of regulations.  The standard procedure is to issue a "proposed
rule" and invite comments.  At some thereafter, a "Final Rule" is
issued.  However, sometimes there is a perceived need for immediate
issue of a rule which will have legal effect.  In such case, an "Interim
Rule" is issued -- it is like a final rule in that it has the effect of
law, but it is like a proposed rule in that it invites comments.

For example, an interim rule was issued on May 12, 2006 regarding the
eligibiltiy of "arriving aliens" in "removal proceedings" to apply for
adjustment of status.  The issue had been subject of opinions from six
different Circuit Courts of appeal since January 2005 and the case law
was all over the place and one of those cases was on a certiorari
petition to the Supremes.  [BTW, the "Bona" case in the 9th Circuit was
mine].  Six different circuits with three different posititons.  To
clean up all the uncertainty, Michael and Alberto jointly issued
regulations to resolve the dispute.  The regulations are "Interim" and
comments have been invited.

I plan to make a comment on two issues.

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Noorah101 - 30 May 2006 03:18 GMT
> Hi:
>
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>
> I plan to make a comment on two issues.

Thanks Mr.F.  Very interesting.  :)

Rene
Folinskyinla - 30 May 2006 02:59 GMT
> Good news, My wife was able to cross back into the United States
> and I found a rule that will allow her to still get approved at
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> Just wanted to say thanks to everyone who helped.   Hope this
> information helps someone out.

Hi:

Lets see what happens at the interview.  You may want to have a
lawyer go in with you.  Your situation makes me nervous and you are
not my client.

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