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gdjones - 16 May 2007 18:26 GMT
Hello,
firstly this doesnt really concern me but im interested and worried for
a friend of mine. heres my story.
Im a uk citizen on a j-1 visa, i live with some americans. One of the
girls recently started dating a moroccan guy whos 10 years older than
her. At first he tried to claim that he was legal but eventually it
turned out that he came over on a student visa, like mine 10 years ago
and overstayed. Things have moved pretty quickly between them and now
there is talk of marriage, obviously im opposed to this but i've let her
know my point and if she continues on I will pretend to be happy for
her. So here are my questions;
1) if she marries him will he risk deportation upon them realising hes
  made a mockery of the immigration system?
2) will he be made to go back to morocco to apply for a new type of
  visa?
  3) will he be automatically issued a visa and able to work (as they
  hope) or will further work be necessary.
3) what tests are people made to go through at the interviews, as i say
  theyve been together 6 months tops and i just think an illegal
  immigrant in his 30s and a 21year old US citizen bride to be may seem
  a little suspicious.

In all im just interested if it is a possibitity for them to get married
and live happily ever after in the US? to me it seems absurd but ive
read a lot of similar tales of marriages between US citizens and illegal
mexicans that work out ok.

I hope I dont seem offensive in this post and would love feedback from
people with views from both sides, from my point of view i just dont
want one of my friends making a mistake.
Noorah101 - 16 May 2007 18:49 GMT
> Hello,
> firstly this doesnt really concern me but im interested and worried
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> people with views from both sides, from my point of view i just dont
> want one of my friends making a mistake.

If his AOS gets denied, he may indeed be deported.  But we won't know
that until they marry, file the paperwork, and go to the interview.
It's up to the AOS officer.

No.  They are applying within the USA for his adjustment of status.  No
need to return and get a visa.

He won't be issued a visa, since he's already in the USA.  Along with
the AOS paperwork, he can apply for work authorization, yes.

There are no "tests", per say.  It's up to the AOS officer to determine
whether they are in a legitimate marriage or not.  His overstay will
most likely be forgiven if he's married to a USC.

Yes, it's possible.

Since he entered the USA legally (with inspection), even though it was
so long ago, he has a chance at a successful AOS.  If he had entered
illegally (without inspection), that would be a different story.

The biggest concern I would have for your friend, is that she will be
filing an I-864 affidavit of support on this guy's behalf.  This is a
legally binding document.  She will be under the obligations on the I-
864 even if they later divorce.  She should read the I-864 VERY
CAREFULLY and fully understand its obligations and implications.  He
might never meet any of the qualifications for ending the I-864, which
means she'll be on the hook for the rest of her life.

Best Wishes,
Rene
Noorah101 - 16 May 2007 18:53 GMT
> If his AOS gets denied, he may indeed be deported.  But we won't know
> that until they marry, file the paperwork, and go to the interview.
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> Best Wishes,
> Rene

Just wanted to say, this guy isn't really an illegal immigrant.  He came
on a legal status.  He overstayed.  That makes him out-of-status, but
not an illegal immigrant.

Rene
Rete - 16 May 2007 20:19 GMT
> Hello,
> firstly this doesnt really concern me but im interested and worried
[quoted text clipped - 26 lines]
> people with views from both sides, from my point of view i just dont
> want one of my friends making a mistake.

He is a documented alien in overstay.  Not the same as an illegal alien
who entered the US without inspection and who cannot adjust status
within the US even if married to a USC unless they can be grandfathered
under the expired Section 245(i).

You think it is a mockery of the immigration system but they might well
be entering into marriage out of love and respect for one another.  It
is up to the adjudicating district officer to make the decision on the
validity of their marriage based on the evidence they present at the
time of their interview.

If the evidence does not prove the legitimacy of their marriage, the
adjustment will be denied.  He might or might not have the option of
appealing the decision. If not he will have to leave the country.  Will
they come and pick him up?  Doubtful.  Thousands of immigrants have been
ordered to leave the US but continue to stay.

He will not be made to go back to obtain an immediate relative visa as
he can do that from here.

The work document is automatic once you file for adjustment of status
and the appropriate I-765 for the employment authorization document.  He
and she will be filing for his residency status, not a visa.

9 years is not much of a difference.  My husband is 7 years older than
me.  His second wife was 19 years younger than him; they married when he
was 38 and she was 19.  My father was 11 years older than my mother and
she immigrated just fine.

You need to distinguish between documented and undocumented aliens.  The
distinction is what allows for adjustment.  A documented alien can; an
undocumented alien can't unless certain criteria is met.  Documented
means you entered with inspection; undocumented meant you cross the
border without inspection.

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gdjones - 16 May 2007 20:43 GMT
> He is a documented alien in overstay.  Not the same as an illegal
> alien who entered the US without inspection and who cannot adjust
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> Documented means you entered with inspection; undocumented meant you
> cross the border without inspection.

Alright, evidently I've hit a nerve with this one. I don't have much
knowledge on this which is why I'm asking the questions.
When i said that he made a mockery of immigration I wasnt refering to
the wedding, that may or may not be legit. I was refering to the fact
that he entered the country LEGALLY but with no intention of ever
returning to his own country. From my point of view this frustrates me
because I jumped through a lot of hoops to get my J-1 visa and to see
someone just exploiting it by doing exactly what all of the months of
interviews and questioning etc is designed to prevent really grates with
me.
Okay I used the wrong term but in my opinion he's an immigrant who lives
and works here illegally so forgive me if i jumped to conclusions and
branded him an illegal immigrant. if I knew all the correct terminology
its unlikely that i would need to post here regarding this issue.
I accept your point on the age gap, i never said it was wrong i just
said it would seem more suspicious - particually with the short term
they've known each other than say a couple of similar ages.

I was wanting answers not a moral bashing
Rete - 16 May 2007 20:46 GMT
> Alright, evidently I've hit a nerve with this one. I don't have much
> knowledge on this which is why I'm asking the questions.
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>
> I was wanting answers not a moral bashing

Who was moral bashing?

I agree with you 150%.  We jumped through hoops for my husband to get
into the country to marry me while he is a Canadian.  So you have no
complaints from me.

Your expression of mockery of the immigration system reads to me that
he is using her to obtain a green card and we were only attempting to
advise you that he can do it legitimately and that age differences
nor length of time knowing the other person means nothing in the
scheme of approval.

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wildestkabs - 16 May 2007 20:51 GMT
> Alright, evidently I've hit a nerve with this one. I don't have much
> knowledge on this which is why I'm asking the questions.
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
>
> I was wanting answers not a moral bashing

Kind of curious how you got the impression of being morally bashed? I
thought your questions were adequately and thoroughly answered. The
culprit is probably the internet for its distorted communication.
Noorah101 - 16 May 2007 21:13 GMT
> Kind of curious how you got the impression of being morally bashed? I
> thought your questions were adequately and thoroughly answered. The
> culprit is probably the internet for its distorted communication.

No moral bashing from my post intended.  My foreign fiance and I also
had to jump through the hoops of immigration and spent 14 months apart
during which we waiting for his fiance visa to get processed.  Of
course it's frustrating to see others who are already in the country
get their paperwork done right away.  But it's like comparing apples
and oranges...every case is different.  We just wanted to let you know
that yes, it IS possible for them to adjust his status, probably
without much difficulty.  His already being here in an overstay status
does not hinder him...such overstays are forgiven when adjusting status
based marriage to a USC.  That's not a moral issue, it's just the
immigration rule.

Length of relationship also is probably not too much of a factor.  My
parents married after only 4 months of dating, and they were married
over 60 years.  I would say 6 months of dating leading to marriage is
not that uncommon.

As for age, it's also not a factor in immigration.  My alien husband is
13 years younger than I am, and no one questioned anything regarding our
ages during our immigration process.

If he IS taking advantage of her in order to stay here, it's up to the
AOS officer to delve in and find out.  Please do remind your friend of
what I said about the affidavit of support.  It has long-term
consequences that she should be prepared for.

It's nice that you're looking out for your friend.  Please don't take
what we tell you the wrong way.  We're not supporting nor defending
their situation....just giving you the answers you were looking for,
from an immigration viewpoint.

Best Wishes,
Rene
gdjones - 16 May 2007 21:34 GMT
> No moral bashing from my post intended.  My foreign fiance and I also
> had to jump through the hoops of immigration and spent 14 months apart
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> Best Wishes,
> Rene

Thanks for all your feedback, its been really interesting, and for the
record they do seem very much in love, maybe I just have a suspicious
nature. Its just im pretty sure they're seeing this as a quick fix
solution to him being unable to get a well paid job and he's been
moaning a lot about not being able to see his family.
Anyway thanks again for the help its been enlightening.
Templar - 17 May 2007 01:06 GMT
> > No moral bashing from my post intended.  My foreign fiance and I
> > also
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> moaning a lot about not being able to see his family.
> Anyway thanks again for the help its been enlightening.

:eek: :eek: :eek:
Perhaps you do have a cause to be suspicious.  What you described sounds
like the boyfriend is the one who's pushing for marriage and green card,
and your friend is just going aong with it.  He's been in US
voluntarilly for 10 years, and now that he's got an American girlfriend,
he complains about not being able to see his family?  Oh, please....

Please update us on the situation.  It will be interesting to know what
happens after they get married.

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nguhh - 17 May 2007 12:07 GMT
On May 17, 3:43 am, gdjones <member58...@nomx.britishexpats.com>
wrote:
> > He is a documented alien in overstay.  Not the same as an illegal
> > alien who entered the US without inspection and who cannot adjust
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>
> - Show quoted text -

It makes no material difference really and thet all mean the same
thing as far as I am concerned.  When you are out of status, you
automatically become an illegal immigrant or alien and could be
subjected to deportation. Simple as that.
ian-mstm - 17 May 2007 12:58 GMT
> On May 17, 3:43 am, gdjones <member58...@nomx.britishexpats.com>
> wrote:
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> automatically become an illegal immigrant or alien and could be
> subjected to deportation. Simple as that.

Fortunately for those in that situation, what *you* believe doesn't
matter. In this business, terminology is everything.

Ian
 
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