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lauramunden2001@yahoo.com - 05 Sep 2008 19:50 GMT
hi
i came over here in 2001 with my 2 children to visit my boyfriend who
is a american by birth, we can on a visa waiver program from the uk.
well the story is we got married while i was here legally, and just
stayed on, now my oldest son has graduated school and my youngest has
just started high school, but we have done nothing legally to change
our status, so in effect we are here illegally but came into the
country legally, what do i do now, my son wants to work but hasn't got
a ssn etc, and some of the info i have received i will have to leave
the us and start the process from the uk, my kids really only have
known living here, and i can't take them out of the country, and it
just seems to expensive all the paper work to do, is there a easy way
of doing it or do i have to try and find about $6000 to make us legal.
thanks for any input
Joe Feise (Immigration) - 06 Sep 2008 06:13 GMT
lauramunden2001@yahoo.com wrote on 09/05/08 11:50:

> hi
> i came over here in 2001 with my 2 children to visit my boyfriend who
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> of doing it or do i have to try and find about $6000 to make us legal.
> thanks for any input

This depends on a lot of things. Generally, overstays are sort-of forgiven for
spouses of US citizens. So, your husband could file an I-130 for you and you
could file an I-485 to get a Greencard.
For your children, it may or may not be possible to get a GC.
In general, whenever there is some doubt, the best way is to seek the advice of
an immigration lawyer.
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Capt. Tuttle - 07 Sep 2008 16:35 GMT
Joe Feise (Immigration) laid this down on his screen :
> lauramunden2001@yahoo.com wrote on 09/05/08 11:50:
>
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> In general, whenever there is some doubt, the best way is to seek the advice
> of an immigration lawyer.

I will only add there is no "easy way". $6000 seems a bit high to me,
but it isn't going to be cheap either.
P D Fritz - 11 Sep 2008 04:46 GMT
| hi
| i came over here in 2001 with my 2 children to visit my boyfriend who
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
| of doing it or do i have to try and find about $6000 to make us legal.
| thanks for any input

I know this will not solve anything but had your husband filed the petition
as soon as you two got married you could have possibly been a US citizen by
now. Back in 2002 the fees were a lot cheaper too.
Ignoring the law or not taking it seriously can have difficult consequences.
lauramunden2001@yahoo.com - 11 Sep 2008 19:53 GMT
> <lauramunden2...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
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> now. Back in 2002 the fees were a lot cheaper too.
> Ignoring the law or not taking it seriously can have difficult consequences.

I don't want to change my citizenship i just want to change my status,
i love living here but i don't want to give up my british passport, it
just seems strange that i'm from a country that is the US best ally
and friend, and they are making it so hard and difficult and
expensive, but they have no problem letting people in from the middle
east etc and just give them everything
Joe Feise (Immigration) - 12 Sep 2008 03:31 GMT
lauramunden2001@yahoo.com wrote on 09/11/08 11:53:

>> <lauramunden2...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>
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> expensive, but they have no problem letting people in from the middle
> east etc and just give them everything

You know, that attitude of yours is disturbing.
What makes you a better person than people from the Middle East???
Just a reminder to your ilk, the so-called shoe-bomber Richard Reid was from
your country, with a British passport.
You are no better than any other foreigner, even if you happen to speak the same
language.
Geez, that there are still snotty Brits around...
Now get an education. We don't need any more bigoted idiots here.
*PLONK!*
Capt. Tuttle - 12 Sep 2008 16:43 GMT
Joe Feise (Immigration) brought next idea :
> lauramunden2001@yahoo.com wrote on 09/11/08 11:53:
>
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> Now get an education. We don't need any more bigoted idiots here.
> *PLONK!*

Way to go Joe!!!
J. J. Farrell - 14 Sep 2008 23:16 GMT
> lauramunden2001@yahoo.com wrote on 09/11/08 11:53:
>
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> Now get an education. We don't need any more bigoted idiots here.
> *PLONK!*

Yes; an intriguing attitude, and embarrassing rather than
representative. The people who get let in (and certainly not without
problems) are those who obey the law; those who break the law and become
illegal immigrants like the original poster are bound to find it more
difficult, and should be grateful if they're allowed to get legal at all.
lauramunden2001@yahoo.com - 25 Sep 2008 00:30 GMT
> > lauramunden2...@yahoo.com wrote on 09/11/08 11:53:
>
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> illegal immigrants like the original poster are bound to find it more
> difficult, and should be grateful if they're allowed to get legal at all.

you have just shown how ignorant and self righteous the americans
THINK they are, you make such a great big deal about being the
greatest country in the world, everyone of you in this country is an
immigrant, at least i come from a country where they are proud of
their education, how dare you say that i have none, you have no idea
about me or my education, and i came here legally, i did not enter
this great country of yours illegally, it is you who has an attitude
problem, and you who is embarrassing, what is wrong with me not
wanting to change my british passport, i'm proud of being british
(scottish actually) and with all the travels that i have made and i
have made many, i think i am quite right keeping my passport as the
british are definately more welcome around this world than americans
are,  and i am certainly not a bigoted idiot, it is people like you
who give america such a bad name and reputation, and unfortunately if
you think that i am not a representative of what immigrants are
talking about and thinking then you are very sadly wrong. Your whole
country is made up of immigrants, so what makes you any better than me
miriamkt - 25 Sep 2008 03:42 GMT
Actually I think a lot of the people who post on here have gone through the
proper channels to stay here. You don't lose your passport in order to stay
here. You apply for a greencard. I would say your only hope is an immigration
lawyer or going back to the UK and trying to start the process all over again.
You need to do something or your children will have a difficult time trying
to get into colleges and Universities in the States. You have to have a
Social Security Card for everything. Thus, see a lawyer as soon as possible.

>> > lauramunden2...@yahoo.com wrote on 09/11/08 11:53:
>>
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>talking about and thinking then you are very sadly wrong. Your whole
>country is made up of immigrants, so what makes you any better than me
Joe Feise (Immigration) - 25 Sep 2008 05:08 GMT
miriamkt wrote on 09/24/08 19:42:

> Actually I think a lot of the people who post on here have gone through the
> proper channels to stay here.

Indeed.
And we didn't whine when pointed to the fact that this is a country of laws, and
that people need to follow the laws.
This is what education is about... I really wonder what kind of education the OP
got in the UK... My education didn't include selfishness and whining. Instead,
it included taking responsibility for one's actions, something the OP is sorely
lacking.
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lauramunden2001@yahoo.com - 25 Sep 2008 18:27 GMT
> Actually I think a lot of the people who post on here have gone through the
> proper channels to stay here. You don't lose your passport in order to stay
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> >talking about and thinking then you are very sadly wrong. Your whole
> >country is made up of immigrants, so what makes you any better than me

Thank you, I know i need to see a lawyer, i just wanted to know
exactly what i needed to do, before this person started attacking me
personally, that is the whole reason i wanted to find out is because
of my children, we never intended to come here and stay over it just
happened. I know i don't have to give up my passport i was just
replying to someone about citizenship, i don't want to lose my british
passport if that makes me a bigot and stupid well i'm sorry, just
because i live here does not mean that i don't love my country i do
and i'm proud to say i'm scottish
thank you for not attacking me
Joe Feise (Immigration) - 25 Sep 2008 04:10 GMT
lauramunden2001@yahoo.com wrote on 09/24/08 16:30:

> at least i come from a country where they are proud of
> their education

Then you missed out, since you obviously haven't gotten any.
I know lots of educated Brits, and none would even think such bigotry as you
have shown here.
And as far as the education is concerned, most of the Nobel Prizes go to
Americans. There have only been 6 Brits who got a Nobel Prize in the sciences
since 2000 (I only checked that far back, and I excluded the Nobel Peace Prize
and the Economics Nobel Prize, which isn't a real Nobel Prize, but is awarded by
the Bank of Sweden in memory of Alfred Nobel.) And one of them has dual US and
British citizenship...

>, how dare you say that i have none

Because you have shown bigotry of the worst kind.
Educated people would know better.

>, you have no idea
> about me or my education, and i came here legally, i did not enter
> this great country of yours illegally

But you stayed illegally.
That makes you no better than any of the people who came illegally.
If you had an education, you would have known better than to stay illegally.
So, your actions speak louder than your words: You are a bigoted, uneducated person.

>, it is you who has an attitude
> problem, and you who is embarrassing, what is wrong with me not
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> british are definately more welcome around this world than americans
> are

But you were so eager to come here that you even stayed illegally.
Again, your actions speak louder than your words.
If you are so proud of being British, why don't you go back???
Despite all your BS about Americans, you seem to like it here, after all.
Apparently, Americans aren't all that bad after all... I guess to your simple
mind, only white Americans count...
It seems you haven't gotten the memo that there are lots of American citizens
who are not of European descent. There even are, oh horrible dictu, American
citizens from the Middle East...

>  and i am certainly not a bigoted idiot, it is people like you

> who give america such a bad name and reputation

It is law breakers like *you* who give any society a bad name and reputation...
Do you break the laws in the UK as well???

>, and unfortunately if
> you think that i am not a representative of what immigrants are
> talking about and thinking then you are very sadly wrong.

Only bigoted people say or even think the things you wrote. So, are you claiming
that all immigrants into this country are bigots??? Who made you the immigrants'
representative???
Yet another stupidity, thinking you are an all-knowing deity.
You are nothing more than a simple-minded law breaker, and your post once again
shows that.
You really are in need of an education.
lauramunden2001@yahoo.com - 25 Sep 2008 18:23 GMT
On Sep 24, 9:10 pm, "Joe Feise (Immigration)" <m...@privacy.net>
wrote:
> lauramunden2...@yahoo.com wrote on 09/24/08 16:30:
>
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> shows that.
> You really are in need of an education.

You know you should really grow up and stop going on about my
education and how stupid you think i am and what a bigot i am and that
i'm rascist you have no idea about me, its fine to go on about my
question but when you start attacking someone personally, there is
something seriously wrong with you. I am not uneducated, i have had a
great education, graduated high school and college, so that part of
what you wrote it totally wrong. You go on about the Nobel Prizes what
the hell has that got to do with anything.  You attack me about being
a bigot and a rascist, you are wrong on both accounts, is Bigot your
word of the day, have you just found out what it means, you have no
idea about me whether i'm black, white, chinese, african, arab,
nothing, so to accuse me is so wrong, GROW UP
I have said before that i like living here, my husband is american
that is why we live here, if he had a job in the uk we would be there,
if he got a job anywhere in this world we would be there, but he has a
job here and that is why we live here.
i came on this site to find answers to my question, i never expected
to be insulted and accused of things that are so far out of the ball
park its stupid, you really need to look back at what you have written
and see how you have attacked me personally, i really do not believe
there was any need for any of that
Joe Feise (Immigration) - 26 Sep 2008 04:06 GMT
lauramunden2001@yahoo.com wrote on 09/25/08 10:23:

> You know you should really grow up and stop going on about my
> education and how stupid you think i am and what a bigot i am and that
> i'm rascist you have no idea about me

I have your post here, and judging from that post, you are what I said.
It is up to you to show otherwise, e.g., by apologizing for that stupid post...
An educated person doesn't use some minority as scapegoat for his or her own
failure to follow the laws.
So, it clearly is *you* who has some growing-up to do.
J. J. Farrell - 26 Sep 2008 03:01 GMT
>>> lauramunden2...@yahoo.com wrote on 09/11/08 11:53:
>>>>> <lauramunden2...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
[quoted text clipped - 42 lines]
> greatest country in the world, everyone of you in this country is an
> immigrant,

You appear to think that I'm an American. I've no idea why.

> at least i come from a country where they are proud of
> their education, how dare you say that i have none,

I said nothing of the kind.

>  you have no idea  about me or my education,

That's one reason I said nothing about it. I'd expect it to be fairly
good if you got it in Britain.

>  and i came here legally, i did not enter
> this great country of yours illegally,

Based on what you've said here, and assuming you really had no intention
whatsoever of staying when you entered, that's clearly true. You broke
USA Federal law and became an illegal immigrant when you overstayed your
admission period.

>  it is you who has an attitude  problem,

That's a matter of opinion.

>  and you who is embarrassing,

I don't believe so. I'm not the one who's living illegally in the USA
yet whining about the USA making it "so hard and difficult and
expensive" for you; I'm not the one who's suggesting you should get some
special treatment because you're British; I'm not the one who's
suggesting that a Briton in the USA illegally should be treated better
than people "from the middle east etc"; I'm not the one making
ridiculous claims that the USA is "letting people in from the middle
east etc and just give them everything". You certainly embarrass me, and
I suspect most Britons would be embarrassed if people were to think that
your views and approach are typical of Britons.

>  what is wrong with me not  wanting to change my british passport,

Nothing whatsoever.

>  i'm proud of being british
> (scottish actually) and with all the travels that i have made and i
> have made many, i think i am quite right keeping my passport as the
> british are definately more welcome around this world than americans
> are,  and i am certainly not a bigoted idiot,

In that case I suggest you stop saying things which suggest you are bigoted.

>  it is people like you
> who give america such a bad name and reputation,

I can't imagine how.

> and unfortunately if
> you think that i am not a representative of what immigrants are
> talking about and thinking then you are very sadly wrong.

On the contrary, I know that the views and manner you exhibit here are
not shared by Britons in general, by British immigrants to the USA, or
by immigrants to the USA in general.

>  Your whole
> country is made up of immigrants,

All countries bar one are made up of immigrants in your sense.

>  so what makes you any better than me

I've no idea whether or not I am. I try not to be bigoted; I try not to
whine if other people don't choose to go out of their way to make things
easy for me; if I'm a guest somewhere, I do my best to follow the host's
rules and not abuse the hospitality; I don't believe my nationality
makes me superior to people from other nations or more worthy of favours
when I'm abroad; were I to choose to break the law, I'd try to put up
with any inconveniences which my choice caused for me and not whine
about it. I probably fail frequently on all counts.
miriamkt - 25 Sep 2008 03:44 GMT
Oh and nothing to do with the Uscis or immigration is easy. Its all long but
in the end should be worth it if you want to stay in the U.S

>hi
>i came over here in 2001 with my 2 children to visit my boyfriend who
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>of doing it or do i have to try and find about $6000 to make us legal.
>thanks for any input
Edward King - 31 Oct 2008 14:29 GMT
>hi
>i came over here in 2001 with my 2 children to visit my boyfriend who
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>of doing it or do i have to try and find about $6000 to make us legal.
>thanks for any input

Well this is tricky.  First off, you're an illegal immigrant, you
overstayed your visa.  This is bad, the US immigration authorities
take a bad view of this, especially since 9/11.  According to the law,
given the period of your overstay, you're banned for 10 years from
reentering the US.

But you're married to a US citizen, and have been for some time.
Chances are you can get away with this, especially since you have been
here for some time - see an immigration lawyer to sort this out.  You
will be eligible for a spouse visa, and citizenship in 3 years.

Plus, there's your kids.  If they were born in the US, they're US
citizens; doesn't matter what documentation they haven't got, if you
can prove they're born in the USA, they're citizens and can apply for
and get a SSN.

For more info, try here:
http://www.uscis.gov/portal/site/uscis/menuitem.5af9bb95919f35e66f614176543f6d1a
/?vgnextoid=39c0194d3e88d010VgnVCM10000048f3d6a1RCRD


Edward
ImmiCoach - 09 Nov 2008 13:47 GMT
Ed: She states, the kids are also from overseas.
But the situation is not hopeless. She will probably get the spouse visa
without too much trouble in due time.
Then the kids can stay as relatives and when she gets citizenship the kids
became citizens 'automatically', but not immediately.
The entire process will take 3-5 years.

In any case, I'd tell all of them, DO NOT leave the USA, incl not to Canada
or Mexico over land, sea or air.
If you get caught, do NOT sign or agree to anything, ask to be seen by an
immigration judge.
They'll more than likely let you walk since you have a relative (spouse,
stepfather) and a domicile in the USA.
When you show up for the fist hearing before the immigration judge in 2 or 3
months ask for a lawyer and an interpreter if needed.
If you cannot afford a lawyer (none is required by law) try to get the judge
assign you a law office or law school to represent you 'pro bono' (free).
Good immigration lawyers are rare (we heard a lot of horror stories) and the
judge will know the better ones.
Good luck!

Entering  the USA-Green Card Lottery is free but not so easy, and beware of
scams.

The Obama election made the United States ,IN' again! It provided proof
positive that America is still the land of unlimited and equal opportunity.

It's a genuine alternative for enterprising people who want to leave
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Now is the time to buy into the 'American Dream': It has been decades since
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But unfortunately the conditions for permanent residency visa have become
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The registration period for the next visa lottery is now in progress. The
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But before you enter make sure you understand the rules and conditions
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My service is to help you to fill out and file your application correctly
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Now I can afford to do the same thing electronically for just 10 euro per
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take it.

Why do I do this? I immigrated myself to the USA and lived there for 40
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I wish to help others who wish to also try the American Way of Life in an
easy, legal, and hopefully lucrative way.

Jerry Hoss PhD, USA-Immigration-Coach

Email: DV2010 ( at )  hush.com in English, Spanish, French or German

Jerry Hoss PhD, USA Immigration Coach

Web:  http://www.usa-migration.org

Deutsch- German

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Ich selber habe 40 Jahre in Florida, Kalifornien, Michigan, Nevada und
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Heuer haben 1973 Deutsche und 2331 Türken sowie ihre Angehörigen diese
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Wenn Sie nur einen winzigen Tipp- oder Formfehler machen, schmeißt der
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Ich berate Sie gerne persönlich (in Bonn), über Telefon, VoIp-Service  oder
eMail, wie es richtig gemacht wird.  Als es noch per Post ging, habe ich für
Tausende  von Green-Card-Lottery-Antragstellern diese Anträge ausgefüllt,
direkt von Kalifornien aus fristgerecht versandt  und dafür pro Antrag 20
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kann ich das jetzt für nur 10 Euro pro Antragsteller machen.  Abzocker im
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nichts. Es ist erwiesen, dass einige von diesen Winkeladvokaten die Anträge
gar nicht weitergeleitet haben! Auf der oben zitierten Webseite wird
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per Direktüberweisung an (keine Telefon-Abzocke, Bankkarten-Abbuchungen,
Abos oder Einzugsbemächtigungen!).

Jerry Hoss PhD, USA-Auswanderungs-Coach

Email: DV2010 (via) hush.com auf Deutsch, Englisch, Spanisch oder
Französisch.

Web:  http://www.usa-migration.org

>>hi
>>i came over here in 2001 with my 2 children to visit my boyfriend who
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>
> Edward
 
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